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January 16, 2013

Dear editor, I wanted to comment on the latest government crisis which was aptly named the “fiscal cliff....

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BrookP

Jan-19-13 4:45 PM

There is an old English saying: Beware of a man of one book.

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BrookP

Jan-19-13 4:43 PM

Really Backwoods? No children, let alone millions of people killed? Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord; God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head; God killed all the firstborn children in an entire country, Egypt; Children who refuse to obey their parents must be executed-Deuteronomy 21:18-21. Any many, many more along with millions of men and women. A five year old child is more moral than that.

Ah, but we don't really have free will, do we, in the eyes of a god? There is a stipulation. You have free will, but you will be punished if you don't choose what I want you to choose. That's a threat. If my child does something I don't want him to, I don't punish him for eternity. Again, unethical.

But most of all, the bible is a 2000 year old story book, written by 2000 year old unsophisticated men that produces no credible, verifiable proof of anything. There are a few nice teachings, but nothing that can't be found elsewhere.

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Renegade

Jan-18-13 2:26 PM

Higher taxes on the rich equals socialism? You should google historical tax rates and you will see these rates are nothing compared to what they used to be.I'm assuming all you people crying about socialism aren't cashing those SS checks.

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Backwoods

Jan-18-13 9:46 AM

BrookP…I had a friend with a mindset something like yours (he past away several years ago) that had been raised in church. He used to say, “I read the bible” and it tells lot of stories, some good and some not so good but it’s just a book written by men. His background was in law enforcement so I gave him a challenge to look at it and investigate it from a legal prospective not a religious one. It was interesting to see the revelations he started coming up with the deeper he got into his investigation.

Only God can know what’s in a man’s heart but I know it’s about relationship not religion. Christianity is the only (religion or belief system) that has a savior. Why is that, it’s because the God of the Bible, the triune God, God of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are alive and we can be in relationship with them.

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Backwoods

Jan-18-13 9:45 AM

BrookP…the God of Abraham is a God of love and his word says, “he who loves corrects or disciplines.” Because of his love he has given us guidelines (rules, laws and moral codes) to live by. Because of his love tells us what he will bless and what he will curse. I know that my parents loved me because as a child they were continually correcting me and I might add at times rather harshly. At the time I thought they hated me and enjoyed punishing me but I learned that in reality they only wanted the best for me. In my years of walking with the Lord I have found the same to be true, he only wants the best for me. In short he desires for all of us to spend eternity with him. He loved us so much that he sent his son to pay the price for his transgressions (sins).

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Backwoods

Jan-18-13 9:45 AM

BrookP…first of all I don’t worship the bible but the God of Abraham who is the God of the bible. I must ask you where you come up with, referring to a God that, “doesn't mind killing children.” Again I ask you, where did you come up with this? The word of the Lord says that when children die they go directly to heaven with him. In the scripture Jesus warns about harming any children.

BrookP…you say God punishes non-believers for eternity but I have to say. We are created and given a “free will”, in simple language we can choose and if we choose to separate ourselves from God, he has given us the right to do so. The scriptures are also clear about varying of punishment in h*ll. We need to remember that it’s our choice to separate ourselves from God, thus one sends themselves to eternal isolation and depending on one’s works the punishment is determined. The scripture says that God’s desire is that all be saved. But again I say, the choice is ours.

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Backwoods

Jan-17-13 8:24 PM

BrookP…I like your questions and I want to answer them but I do not have time right now. I will try get it done tomorrow.

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BrookP

Jan-17-13 1:59 PM

Sasquatch, actually I do have an understanding. I've read it. I was also raised in a Methodist family. Regardless, a lack of someone's understanding the bible is hardly the cause of troubles in any country. The bible has a few good moral teachings in it, but nothing that a non-religious upbringing can't determine. Mostly, though, its full of inconsistencies and absurdities. The old testament is full of atrocities that we wouldn't wish on our worst enemy. Maybe Jesus existed, maybe he didn't. Maybe he was a nice guy with some wisdom, but that hardly rises to the level of magical being. By the time I was 10 years old and developed independent thinking, I realized that I was being fed a bunch of non-credible hogwash. I prefer living with truths rather than mystical fantasies.

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Sasquatch

Jan-17-13 10:31 AM

BrookP, You have absolutely no understanding of the Bible. You are a perfect example of what is wrong with this country.

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BrookP

Jan-17-13 10:11 AM

Backwoods, please tell us why, if you accept all the bible wholeheartedly on faith, you would continue to worship it and its god. It makes no sense. The god of the bible, as told by its own stories, is a vile, nasty, unethical being who believes in torturing a non-believer for eternity and doesn't mind killing children. This is the mentality of a godfather crime boss-do what I say or I will torture you. Most criminals sitting in jail have more ethics and moral behavior than the god of the bible. No thanks for me. I have far more "faith" in human beings which, as a species, are far more caring and look out for their children far better than the bible god.

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Backwoods

Jan-16-13 9:08 PM

Gary…I get my interpretations from word studies in the Hebrew and Greek from the “Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance.”

Gary you must not believe in the bible or you would accept it by faith. If I had a belief system like yours I wouldn’t waste my time claiming to be a bible believing Christian. The way I read it you either accept it all or none of it, because it’s not a smorgasbord, take what you want and leave the rest.

Gary I may not understand it all, but I take it all on faith. Look up what Jesus says in Mathew 7:21-23.

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st0newa11

Jan-16-13 8:27 PM

I wholeheartedly agree that we ALL have the right to believe in whatever god (small g) that we choose. The one true God (capital g) gave us all free will. We have the freedom to choose our eternal destinies--heaven with a loving God, or h*** with eternal torment. I do recognize that there are other beliefs, and just because I believe they're wrong does NOT make me close-minded. Just as, I like GM cars, and it doesn't bother me if you drive a Ford. (Hey, at least it's domestic and supports our own economy, or used to anyway.) I will echo others sentiments with a hearty, God bless you ALL!

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st0newa11

Jan-16-13 8:19 PM

MTOMTO 6:14 post, you crack me up.

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BrookP

Jan-16-13 7:19 PM

Good points, Gary. I find the bible a terribly unreliable collection of stories. It's been translated many, many times and the Catholic Church had control over it for 300 years or so. King James had it rewritten because he felt it didn't include enough obedience. I personally find it equal to a Harry Potter book, but Harry is better written. lol

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BrookP

Jan-16-13 7:15 PM

archaeo1, I agree, we are all entitled to believe what we want. I guess when some who are so opposite from go all fire and brimstone, I tend to push back a little. I should probably phrase things better. Humans have been making up gods for a couple hundred thousand years to explain things they can't. I find it an unneeded crutch. I have faith in humans, to meet challenges and improve the lot over time. The universe is an amazing thing, but NO ONE knows our origins. That knowledge is probably hundreds of years away. It's ok not to know. I guess I have a problem with making things up until we do know.

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garypayton

Jan-16-13 6:58 PM

Right. Old Testament is Hebrew and New Testament is Greek. Still, you provided the jump from "land" to (country.) What makes you so sure your interpretation is correct? I have a problem with blind, literal adherence to every single word in the Bible. The Word of God, yes, but written and translated by mere men. I also believe that the earth is older than 6,000 years and man and dinosaurs did NOT walk the planet at the same time.

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archaeo1

Jan-16-13 6:49 PM

Brook,We are all entitled to our own beliefs and opinions.My satiracle questions Had more to do with peoples open mindedness and acceptance of others as they are, not as they think people should be. In my opinion there seem to be a lot extreem rightwing evangelical zealots who post on this bd.Who also believe they hold the key more than others .Next time it might be interesting to ask how they feel about homosexuality or people who may be of a different ethnicity than they are. For Me and this is my belief that as long as a person believes in something outside of self thats a good thing,its given strength to billions of people for thousnads of years.I know this... I didnt make this world, these peole or any of the beauty in it{with the exception of my children,I did have a hand..well.ah something to do with that. To All..May the God of your understanding bless you. enjoy..

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MTOMTO

Jan-16-13 6:15 PM

"They know where the ruins are, would you call that percussion?"

bah, dum, dum.

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MTOMTO

Jan-16-13 6:14 PM

"Myself I would call being sent into captivity “percussion.”"

Held in captivity and forced to play the drums? Cruel and unusual punishment.

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MTOMTO

Jan-16-13 6:10 PM

God's God? I like it!

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BrookP

Jan-16-13 6:08 PM

archaeo1, I pick None Of The Above. Everything went well because he had a good surgical team. No mystical being was involved.

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Backwoods

Jan-16-13 6:02 PM

Secondly, 2 Chronicles 7:14 is out of the Old Testament that was written in “Hebrew “ not Greek as you state in your 2:10 pm comment.

Thirdly in Romans 11 Paul call all gentile believers the wild olive branch that has been grafted in. thus we are his people.

Gary, I’d love to get together with you and do some bible study some time.

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Backwoods

Jan-16-13 6:02 PM

Gary…I would like to point out several things to you. Fist you said in your 12:03 pm comment, “I though salvation was personal, not collective. Is the God of Abraham a communist? I don't think so. I also don't think God persecutes entire nations.”

If you read your bible you will see when El Shadday (God Almighty) was continually dealing with the Nation of Israel. Myself I would call being sent into captivity “percussion.”

What about the God of Abraham judging cities? The five cities of the plains, Sodom, Gomorrah and the other three cities that were destroyed along with all its residents except Lot and his daughters? They know where the ruins are, would you call that percussion?

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Lifelongresident

Jan-16-13 4:41 PM

Maybe there's a God that rules over all the different religion's Gods?

Believe or don't believe it's everyone's choice.

I tend not to believe, however I think religion is important in helping people get through tough times and providing some morals.

The problem in today's society is even some leaders of these religions don't display good morals. Many people who claim to be religious only follow the parts of their religions that are convenient for them.

i.e. two married people end up in choir together, not their spouses, they end up having an affair get divorced and marry each other. Right under the "eyes of God" how hypocritical is that? This sort of thing plays out everyday.

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archaeo1

Jan-16-13 3:20 PM

Please opine,Example:You are about to have surgery {lets say to remove a brain tumor...Made.. ya go out and shoot some kids at a local park with your new Assult rifle}.Prior to the procedure you are made aware of all the potential problems that could arise.In walks your Anesthesiologist,a tea colored man with dark hair.Appears he could be Hindu or other.You get nervous,theres sweat on your brow.. then..Your out! The next day all is well things went fine. The man has been schooled here and has been doing his work for 25 years,been involved in over 2500 successful operations.God may have watched over you But who watched over him? #1 Your god for your benefit?Although he doest believe thou #2 His God,he pra #3 he will be going to*****if he keeps his faith? Now, there is no agree/disagree, this is a multiple choice question. This is a simple question.What say you? Kinda like Carol Merrill on the "Price is Right".Door 1, 2 or 3. Also 1 last note; Your god for each of you is

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