ELCA decision leads to talk of Lutheran split
By COLIN KYLER ckyler@timesobserver.comLutherans may soon face decisions on whether to join a new church body.
The Associated Press reported last week that Lutheran CORE leaders will begin forming a new denomination.
Core Chair Pastor Paull Spring, who was pastor of St. John's Lutheran Church in Pleasant Township from 1967 to 1976 and then served as bishop of the Northwestern Pennsylvania Synod, said the process for leaving the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is complicated.
Two rounds of voting spread over 90 days must both reach a two-thirds majority for a congregation to leave, Spring explained.
While there are several issues driving CORE to leave, Spring said the critical one was the ELCA's decision at its annual convention in August to bless same-sex unions and to allow pesons in such unions to serve in the ministry.
Other related issues include how one interprets the Bible, Spring said, and whether it has ethical norms for human behavior.
The Rev. David Blank, pastor of First Lutheran Church in Warren, said his congregation as a whole has been patient with the process and wants to abide by what the national church is doing.
A rift has grown in the church, Spring said, over social questions which are perceived as issues on the left.
It came to a point in August, Spring said, when people asked, "What have we done? This is something the church has never said before."
The Rev. Mark Fischer, pastor of Youngsville Saron Lutheran and Pittsfield Berea Lutheran churches, said churchgoers and pastors all have different positions.
"I was not in favor of the decisions made, but I'm not choosing to leave the church," he said. "I think schism is too easy."
Blank said for him it's best to always err on the side of love instead of judgment.
An overwhelming number of Christians do not approve of what the ELCA endorsed, Spring said, leading to a "massive firestorm of negative reaction."
No congregations in the county will leave the ELCA, Fischer said, and have decided to remain together despite their differences.
The decisions have left some pastors wondering about leaving the ministry, Spring said, and some students in seminaries wondering whether to continue their studies.
Fischer said it is not the first time the church has made questionable decisions and would not be the last.
CORE has not yet broken with the ELCA, Spring said, explaining that it is just a movement which allows congregations to belong to both groups.
By the time of the next ELCAl convention in August 2010, however, Spring said CORE believes it will have to form a church to give people a place to go who choose to leave the ELCA.
Those who stay are free to teach traditional understandings of scripture, Fischer said, and are not compelled to contradict their own consciences.
Congregations don't have to hire pastors whose lifestyle they disagree with, Blank said, adding that he hopes as time goes along the church becomes more open-minded.
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WarrenCitizen
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11-29-09 8:52 AM
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Clark...can you share what Churchs those are?
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Clark
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11-29-09 8:02 AM
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Warren, there's always room for another church, but there are also many conservative churches in our area that haven't watered down the scriptures as some denominations have.
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WarrenCitizen
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11-28-09 9:22 AM
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nmpet75..what church do you attend and has it abandoned it's Biblical roots?
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Chris89
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11-27-09 7:39 PM
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And, please, until you've been called the F-word (you know what F-word I'm talking about) to your face, don't talk to me about MY hatred.
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Chris89
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11-27-09 7:23 PM
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If you want to deny an entire group of people their civil rights, I call that hateful. If you don't like that, tough. If you don't support equality, you're a bigot, plain and simple. I don't care what your Bible says or what your preacher spews from the pulpit...ultimately, the decision on what to believe lies with you. If you consciously choose to think of gay and lesbian people as lower than you, then go ahead - it's a free country. But please don't get all uppity when someone calls you out as a bigot.
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nmpet75
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11-27-09 6:14 PM
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Chris people like you are part of the problem. You have the hate for those with strong beliefs. You twist and twist their beliefs to fit your agenda. For someone to believe in the bible, it has to be an absolute belief, to be accepting of what is clearly spelled out as wrong is called having an opinion. Holding ones beliefs should not be looked at as hateful. I hate no one but I do not agree with many. There is a huge difference. The problem is people like you want me to have opinions and only in private rather than a strong belief system. Why are you allowed to believe strongly in acceptance but yet I cannot believe strongly in a traditional conservative christian family? Too often it is the liberals who are hateful while the Christians love you and know your heart and soul is between you and God.
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Chris89
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11-27-09 3:50 PM
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Embracing other human beings regardless of sexual preference is not "liberal" or "conservative" - it's human. Little by little, hate is making its way out of the mainstream Christian church. Someday, people who marginalize people based on sexual orientation will themselves be marginalized - to the ranks of the misogynists, racists, and bigots where they belong. I notice that there aren't too many people around anymore who claim that unions between black and white people shouldn't be blessed.
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WarrenCitizen
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11-27-09 2:55 PM
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Amen Morrison. I guess my intent here is to feel out if others in Warren feel the same as I do. To see if there is a need for WELS church, or similiar type, in this area.
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Morrison
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11-27-09 1:45 PM
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WarrenCitizen-doesn't matter how many conservatives there are. The libs always run it their way. Thee may be many denominations, but there's only one Bible. It takes a lot to ignore the basics. When they do that, they are no religion, just social members
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WarrenCitizen
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11-27-09 10:07 AM
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Clarification: I am always willing to engage in civil debate about Christianity, and all are welcome to learn of God's Word and how WELS preaches the Word. My request is that you respect this post and our beliefs.
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WarrenCitizen
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11-27-09 10:03 AM
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I am confused that with such a conservative Lutheran base in this county, the local ELCA churchs are willing to blindly follow this liberal movement. When we moved here a few years ago we came from the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS), a much more conservative Lutheran based faith. We were very disapointed with the local ELCA churchs. We attended a Methodist church for awhile, but found that even more liberal. Since moving here we have been searching for a conservative based church, but haven't been able to find a "church home". I have been in recent contact with the Pastor from a WELS church in Buffalo. He is willing to start a bible study and exploratory church program here in Warren. I often feel isolated in my conservative biblical beliefs, does anyone else feel the same? This post is not for the anti-Christian bloggers on here. I respect you also have the right to express your opinons here, but I am asking you to exercise the "tolerance" you preach
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Morrison
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11-27-09 9:52 AM
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Same old stuff. Be tolerant. Sacrifice your beliefs for what others believe. Churches are like little governments. They tell you to sacrifice your most personal beliefs for the good of some who don't want to. Split. Run. You're going to be like muslims. Claiming a few hijacked your church, and there is nothing you can do about it.
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