Stats point to decline across school district
By LYDIA COTTRELL lcottrell@timesobserver.comOver the past few months, the concept consolidating high schools in Warren County has people on both sides of the argument citing various information to support their point-of-view.
Because school pride is not quantitative but enrollment statistics and test scores are, the Times Observer has collected the data that lies beneath the issue.
Enrollment
A declining enrollment in the Warren County School District is not a new notion. According to statistics compiled by the district, the total enrollment in the 1979-80 school year was 8,876 students. The latest enrollment figures logged in October 2009 showed 5,142 students attending school in the district, which is a loss of 42.07 percent of the students from the earlier figure.
However, when considering the drop in district-wide enrollment, there is one extenuating factor-Tidioute Community Charter School. After the closure of Tidioute High School, the district lost students when the charter school opened in 2005.
In the past 10 years, the central attendance area has lost 629 students, about 20.6 percent. In the same time frame, the northern attendance area has lost 340, or 24 percent.
In the past decade, Tidioute High School closed and then reopened as the Tidioute Community Charter School, which skews the statistics for the western attendance area. Similarly, transfer of kindergarteners from the central attendance area to Allegheny Valley Elementary for all-day kindergarten alters the numbers in the eastern attendance area. However, just over the past three years, enrollment in the western attendance area has dropped from 1020 to 965, a loss of 5.39 percent. From 2003 to 2007, a five-year span before all-day kindergarten, the eastern attendance area dropped from 752 to 705, a loss of 6.25 percent.
Another aspect of enrollment in individual attendance areas that is often overlooked is transfers. Using the Right to Know Act, the Times Observer obtained the transfer rates for the current school year.
Twenty-six students transferred into the northern attendance area and eight transferred out to another attendance area, leaving the northern attendance area with a net gain of 18 students.
Conversely, the central attendance area had 18 students transfer in, but had 39 students transfer out, which is a net loss of 21 students. The western attendance area suffered a loss as well. That area had nine students transfer in and 14 students transfer out, a net loss of five students.
The eastern attendance area gained a few students through transfers. The attendance area had 16 students transfer in and 8 transfer out, reflecting a net gain of 8 students.
PSSA scores
Academic standards in schools and school districts are measured by the No Child Left Behind Act. In Pennsylvania, schools are monitored through Pennsylvania System of School Assessment (PSSA) tests.
In terms of the four high schools in the district, Eisenhower Middle/High School faired the best in the 2008-2009 scores with 81.2 percent of students testing proficient in reading and 74.4 percent testing proficient in math. Warren Area High School had 68.5 percent of students testing proficient in reading and 58.5 testing proficient in math. Sheffield Middle High School had 55.6 percent of students test proficient in reading and 55.1 percent test proficient in math. Youngsville High School fell short of making AYP with 42.4 percent testing proficient in math and 56.5 percent testing proficient in math.
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brianhagberg
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11-03-09 7:44 PM
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wesn, something else you're not taking into consideration is that these percentages will be skewed in favor of a smaller school. For example on the WCSD website they have the "report cards" for 2006-2007 as the most recent available. According to those records 105 11th grade students took the PSSA at Ike, while 195 took it at WAHS. So while one student testing proficient at Ike would give them a + 1%, one student at WAHS testing proficient would only give a + .5%. Is this then an accurate assessment of which school is "better?" Hardly. To argue that one school is better educating its students based solely on standardized test scores, especially when there is nearly double the number of students taking the test in one location, is absurd.
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nmpet75
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11-03-09 6:40 PM
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wesn, to show you something else on the validity of comparing these schools by pssa's. The averages are based on schools. EHS has 7,8,and 11 grade taking this test(only certain grades get tested). Because the middle school is at Beaty for warren the Times compared a school with 3 grades tested to a school with one grade tested. WAHS only has 11th taking the test. At Beaty, last year their 7th graders blew by EHS 7th graders achieving excellent scores, and Beaty and ehs were comparable in 8th grade, however Beaty scored much higher in reading. I am sure that a big factor of the 11 grade results have more to do with prep and understanding its importance because of having other grades within the school taking this test. All schools except youngsville met their AYP standards for last year which is the most imporatant fact. Do I need to explain what the ayp is too? WESN do some homework.
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nmpet75
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11-03-09 6:20 PM
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By the way wesn, my kids tested above the advanced range and they go to Beaty.
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nmpet75
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11-03-09 6:18 PM
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wesn, you obviously need more education on the subject rather than ranting by the seat of your pants. Because of many factors these schools can not possibly be compared by pssa's. Even the federal government does not rate them based on this test. They use the ever failing AYP method that also needs to be improved because these tests assume that all schools have exactly the same students getting exactly the same curriculum. The test is only one piece of the AYP. Poverty alone can account for a 44-71% variance. Preparation, students understanding of the importance of, student attendance, curriculum, and the list of factors goes on...
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fivealive
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11-03-09 3:55 PM
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Mr Bauer has, historically, been a detriment to any civil and rational discussion on issues facing the county. I would applaud his activism if it were a positive force in the problem-solving process. You can see that isn't the case.
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skysmom
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11-03-09 2:10 PM
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having said that......I'm not sure Mr Bauer brings the positive thoughts to enough peoples minds to reach a majority on a decision either. he may become a detriment to those he is involved with.
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skysmom
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11-03-09 2:06 PM
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I fixed that...... and each grade has a specified lesson plan within the county so it doesn't really matter which school you attend. the kids and teachers are the ones who make the difference. are the teachers better at IKE? I don't know but I doubt it. so far looking at the situation from a different angle and state, WCSD stacks up very well against other schools. is it a fair comparison? I don't know as I only have one other district to compare it to. but we're in a HUGE district compared to Warren. do I like it? no, but it hasn't affected his grades either. like I said it's a hard decision and if i was still there I'm not sure which way I would vote.
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brianhagberg
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11-03-09 1:44 PM
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My mistake, I misread your earlier statement and thought you had moved to another part of the COUNTY not COUNTRY. Having said that, I would be seriously concerned that a freshman level course, which I'm assuming you meant to say Geography not Geology, is teaching states and capitals.
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skysmom
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11-03-09 1:41 PM
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ooopppsss, not geology...... geography
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skysmom
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11-03-09 1:32 PM
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no, last year in Warren he was in 8th grade so there were no AP classes or credits. this year is ninth grade and taking AP classes in a whole nuther part of the country. but so far in the first 2 grading periods{it's still 6 weeks marking periods here}he has had a lot of review from what he learned at Beaty. it isn't just review from last year either. he says his geology class has been a review because one assignment was to learn states and capitals which was taught in 6th grade at Beaty.
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brianhagberg
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11-03-09 1:17 PM
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Isn't that a bit of a contradiction? To say that WCSD is doing a great job then to say that your child's AP class is a review? An AP class should be college level material, maybe a bit of introductory review in the beginning of the year, but certainly not at this point. Is some of that the teacher, yes, but at the same time the building administration and the board should be making sure that those classes are being taught properly.
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skysmom
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11-03-09 1:05 PM
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actually I think WCSD does a great job educating the kids. comparing what mine is studying this year to last year, a lot of his classes seem to be a review despite their AP status.....but for that I thank his teachers, not the building or the board.
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fivealive
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11-03-09 12:50 PM
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Another interesting thing to look at would be how the county schools compare to other PA schools (not just neighboring districts) and other schools around the country. EHS may have been the "best" school on the PSSAs w/in the district but what does that really mean when you step outside of the fishbowl of Warren County? How are the county kids stacking up against those they will compete against for college admissions and jobs?
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brianhagberg
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11-03-09 12:46 PM
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I'd like to know the transfer numbers for students into and out of the district as a whole, not just for schools within the district. I really think we need to take a look at the number of people who want their children to come here as opposed to the number that are leaving. That, in my opinion, would speak volumes about the quality of education currently being offered in the district.
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fivealive
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11-03-09 12:03 PM
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Also, go back and look at the PSSA scores from previous years. WAHS did better than Ike or as well as Ike during those years. EHS somehow managed a +10% in Math and +8% in Rdg over last year's scores. That is no small feat and quite unusual. I'm sure the district will look at how that happened, what they did that worked and come up with a district-wide plan. Test scores are useful in some respects. Data can show you where you need to improve, what is working, what isn't, etc. But to consider just one year's scores is not a good analysis. And to say it is just one factor (small school, teachers who take extra time, etc) is inaccurate. Education is complicated. It's not as easy as "Ike is best".
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brianhagberg
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11-03-09 11:55 AM
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Another thing that would be hard to measure is how much time is spent preparing students to take the PSSA as opposed to simply following a lesson plan. IMO using standardized test scores to measure success is a joke. Just because a school has students that test well doesn't mean that they are preparing them for life beyond those walls, which is what education should be about.
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skysmom
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11-03-09 11:40 AM
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I'm no longer convinced smaller schools mean better test scores, although I was a believer when the elementary schools closed and was against that consolidation at the time. that however doesn't mean I agree with standardized testing. you can find any study to met your needs for the moment. we are one of the families in the central attendence area included in the net loss. we went from Beaty to a high school with over 2000 students and his grades haven't been affected. I don't know the answers...it's a tough call and I'm glad I don't have to amke it.
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fivealive
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11-03-09 11:35 AM
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totheright, how are we supposed to use pitchforks and torches when the 4 Schools are using them all now, trying to scare the school board?
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fivealive
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11-03-09 11:25 AM
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If smaller schools produce better test scores, than why are YHS and SAHS both scoring lower than WAHS? I thought small schools = automatic academic success.
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Oliver
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11-03-09 10:37 AM
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Wait...wait...wait! The test scores aside, hasn't the argument all along is that the Northern area isn't losing population as fast as the Central area so therefore the Northern area should keep its school, but clearly in this article it stats "In the past 10 years, the central attendance area has lost 629 students, about 20.6 percent. In the same time frame, the northern attendance area has lost 340, or 24 percent." Last time I checked, and since I live in the Central area, and my schoolin' ain't as good as the small classes up North, 24 is greater than 20.6. As for the test scores, congratulations to Ike, but economics, mean income, and a lot of other factors come into play. You can deny and fight that all you want, but it's true. But yet again, why would we argue with logic on this topic when we can just argue with emotions?
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skysmom
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11-03-09 10:23 AM
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my kid scored above proficient on PSSA scores and he went to Beaty. we don't have a high income either and no longer live there anyway. but you are missing the point.....which is parents with a higher income ie:northern attendence area, have kids who historically score higher on standardized testing. that's not just Warren..it's the country in general. but as I said we don't live there anymore so it really doesn't involve my family...I was just stating a fact.
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wesnaustin
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11-03-09 9:54 AM
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Wow, really, PSSA results mean nothing! The way the Federal Government views achievement at a school means nothing? You have got to be kidding me, that may be the most ridiculous post I have ever read. The paper could publish the various schools GPA’s, students achieving honor roll/merit honor roll, SAT scores, etc. The results would be the same.
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Jenn764
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11-03-09 9:53 AM
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FYI...my child (EHS Student) scored proficient in all areas of the PSSA and we are not in the higher income level! How about we charge tution to those who attend a school outside of their attendance area?
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nmpet75
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11-03-09 9:38 AM
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These numbers are not a way to rate a school. There is a variety of factors that lead to how these numbers come out. How many students tested, income levels of students, preparation for this test, ect. Franklin sd recently shut down a school that got an excellence award for the amazing pssa test results but because these tests are not a true indictator of achievment for the school other factors became more important.
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wesnaustin
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11-03-09 9:22 AM
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It is no surprise to me EHS scored the highest in the county on their PSSA testing. It’s no secret to the parents of, and the students that attend EHS that academically that high school performs higher than others, so it makes perfect sense to close it, right? Let’s eliminate success and promote mediocrity, seems to be the trend in this country. One thing not mentioned in the article is the number of applications that were denied from students that wanted to transfer from the central attendance area (Warren) to the northern attendance area (Russell/Eisenhower) over the last 10 years.
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