Signs Go Too Far?
School board president upset name and phone number includedBy BRIAN FERRY bferry@timesobserver.com
Keep Eisenhower Open.
That's what signs at several locations, including the intersections of Conewango Avenue and Hatch Run Road, and Routes 62 and 957 read.
Warren County School Board President Kim Angove would have no problem with the signs if that's all they said.
"As a parent I am fully supportive of Eisenhower Middle/High School," Angove wrote in an email to the Times Observer on Monday. "As a board member it is my position that we must gather the relevant facts and present them to the community before an educated decision can be made."
However, the signs suggest those who read them, "Call School Board President Kim Angove," and list her home phone number.
She characterizes some of the calls that have been directed to her as "harassment and bullying."
"I did not endorse these signs and did not give my permission in any way to use my name or personal information," Angove said. "I have absolutely no affiliation with Mr. (David) Bauer and the 4 Schools 4 Warren County group."
"While I commend the 4 Schools 4 Warren County group for their passion and commitment, this tactic of using harassment and bullying is inappropriate and unethical," she wrote.
School board members' phone numbers and other contact information may be found on the school district's Web site, www.wcsdpa.org. Only one school board member's phone number can be found on the signs.
Angove did not say who put up the signs.
Calls to Bauer on Monday evening were not returned.
Secession
One of the 4 Schools group's possible plans to keep Eisenhower open was for the three schools in the northern attendance area to secede from the Warren County School District and join with the Corry Area School District.
A meeting has been scheduled for 4:30 p.m. Monday, Nov. 2, at the district's administrative office in Corry.
Adding the northern attendance area of the Warren district to Corry's area is not likely to happen, according to one board member.
"I'm willing to sit down and listen to what he has to say," Corry school board Vice President Peggy Gates told the Corry Journal. "It's not going to happen, but we'll see what develops."
According to board President Gene Stoddard, board members will not ask questions of Bauer at the meeting. Questions will be funneled through Superintendent Brian Dougherty or Business Manager Mike Andrus.
Community dialogue
The school district has scheduled a community dialogue for 6:30 p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 10, at the Warren Area High School gymnasium. The dialogue will give county residents the opportunity to "learn about and give input into the high school feasibility study," a flyer for the event reads.
Reservations are not needed and the event is open to the public.
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tealdahlia
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11-14-09 1:59 PM
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What a great concept, Ms. Angove. You should not be the scapegoat for the whole board. Yet YOU are the one who is pointing fingers at Mr Bauer, instead of the organization, same as others are pointing the finger at you. There are only two differences between your situation and his. One: you are the elected and recognized leader of the school board, whereas he is NOT the recognized leader of his organization. Two: YOU have been elected to represent the interests of the people who are calling you and who are upset, because you are not doing that. Maybe, if you would take a hint and listen, you would get fewer calls.
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Placer44
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10-30-09 10:46 AM
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samibigelow, You just proved my point. As you said you were not the most God gifted student, but you worked hard an succeeded. The cream rose to the top, whether by intellect or force. Congratulations on your achievements! One County One School!
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samibigelow
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10-29-09 3:16 PM
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Placer44, sorry thought we were talking about his/her IQ there and I left off a 4.
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samibigelow
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10-29-09 3:14 PM
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With Placer4's logic, I should not have graduated from high school, graduated from college and go on to my other education classes as an adult because I had problems in a couple of subjects mainly because the class size was too large and there was no time to help me as an individual? Wow, talk about shooting down someone because they are not geniuses! It must be awfully hard to hold your swelled head up every day. I will bet you drive your kids too, punish them if they get B's and not A's.
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wesnaustin
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10-29-09 2:36 PM
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I could care less what Placer44 has to say. People like him/her contribute little of substance to this type of dialogue. As for Getreal, I had nothing to do with the planning of WAEC! You have me mixed up with someone else. I wrote a letter to the editor about it back in those days stating that I thought it was a bad spot for an elementary school, and suggested the district might be better served to move the middle school there and address the elementary schools at later date. I felt Beatty was a bigger drain on the budget than the elementary schools. Sorry to disappoint you if I did. Beatty is still a big strain on the budget. Really if you want to do the 2 high school thing right it should be done with 2 new buildings with new colors, team names, new identity altogether. Move the Beatty kids to the WAHS, close Beatty, and start fresh with the high schools. It’s a clean transition for students and teachers and everybody starts fresh.
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Placer44
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10-29-09 9:31 AM
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No Russellmom. What I am saying it does matter how big or small a class is (by the way 30 kids in a class is not too big) the smart kids will succeed and the dumb one won't. Judging by your reading comprehension, I can understand why you have concerns about your child.
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RussellMom
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10-29-09 7:05 AM
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So in other words children who struggle shouldn't be entitled to a good education like other kids get! Wow you people really show your intelligence!
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getreal
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10-28-09 10:23 PM
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So wesnaustin weren't you a school board member during the WAEC planning stage? It was fine for Warren but not Russell?
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writer10
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10-28-09 8:53 PM
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The only person who needs to know the child's ability is the teacher. The whole rest of the building does not need to know. It's up to the teacher to get through to the student, not the rest of the staff. How does everyone in the building not knowing your child going to prevent your child from learning. Gotta love the excuses parents will come up with rather than look into what the actual problem may be. And if your child needs so much attention from everyone in order to be willing to learn, than perhaps they should seek a specialist to figure out why that is.
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Placer44
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10-28-09 4:22 PM
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Audacious, yes. Thank you for your kind words. Survival of the fittest applies both to the schools and the students. Primrose and Wesnaustin, need to grow a pair and face reality. Little Jonnie and Little Sally might not have what it takes to succeed. The sooner they find out the better. That way they can find employment where they don't have to compete with anyone else, or at least not against a group of people larger than their 10th grade class at Sheffield. My kids welcome challenges and competition. That's why they won't be living in an tenement apartment in Clarendon.
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wesnaustin
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10-28-09 2:56 PM
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Again fivealive and totheright leading the pro-consolidation movement. Good to see there are 2 tourch carriers for their gang. If there is such savings to the taxpayers were was it when WAEC was built? Wait, there was no tax break for that, there was a tax increase. Expect another one if we consolidate too.
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wesnaustin
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10-28-09 2:52 PM
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What a cheap shot Placer44, you do not know the woman or the child. People like you are a disgrace, and bring nothing to the table. Why don't you contribute something of substance to the debate. A student at WAEC can be a star student and the building management there wouldn't know who he or she even is. So according to your logic if a student isn't doing well we should just expect them to fail and consider them aa waste of time and taxpayer dollars. Great thinking, I hope your not involved in education.
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Placer44
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10-28-09 1:50 PM
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The tired old refrain, "my child will be a number." Its call competition. Deal with it. Whether your in a class of 3 or 30, the strong will succeed and the weak will fail. Better to learn whether you are a winner or a lose in a free elementary school than a university cost $30,000 per year. Maybe you don't have enough faith in your child or maybe they were meant to put plastic lid on cups at Whirley.
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RussellMom
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10-28-09 1:41 PM
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My daughter went to WAEC when the smaller elementary schools consolidated. She went from being a student to being a number. She now attends Russell Elementary School where she is again a student! If they consolidate these schools, there are going to be too many kids in one class, less one on one time with the teacher. Kids are going to be falling in the cracks......So much for NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!
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Placer44
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10-28-09 11:55 AM
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Fact: Hours at underfunded schools will NOT improve a child's education. One county, one high school!
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primrose
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10-28-09 7:50 AM
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FACT... hours on a school bus will NOT improve a child's education I thought it a little childish to point out the fact that someone misspelled a word. I am sure if that same poster took a look at any number of posts they could point out the mistakes of others. But I am sure that those that did it feel much better for pointing it out.
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notalocal
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10-27-09 11:57 PM
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Fivealive, fact "two states have already past laws in 2001 to ensure small schools stay put. They even alotted funds for the program", Fact
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fivealive
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10-27-09 8:20 PM
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Tax money has to be spent wisely. It has to be used to provide the best 'aducation' possible with the limited resources there are. Can anyone really argue -- w/ facts -- that consolidating isn't the best way to accomplish that?
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writer10
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10-27-09 7:08 PM
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Mindy hammer is correct. The issue here is to keep taxes in control so people's property taxes don't get to the point where people lose their homes or can no longer take care of their homes. Your BS of saying, "that these kids deserve their aducation as well?" is so wrong it isn't funny. First off you misspelled education and second off, they will still receive an education, just at a different location. So what is more important, people losing their homes or some kid getting to keep his school rather than simply go to another school. Your response was ignorant, but than again the whole 4 schools group is driven on ignorance.
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fivealive
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10-27-09 4:24 PM
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Bauer never really had viable options. The state was never going to approve a separate EHS district, nor were they going to approve the Corry plan (assuming Corry had gone along with it). Bauer presented these as options when there were none. It's not just the 4Schools group that is out of options, it is the entire district. Things cannot continue w/out consolidation. The district simply cannot support 4 schools. We're out of options, people.
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fivealive
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10-27-09 3:57 PM
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Maybe not Mr Bauer's number on a sign but how about a counter-group -- 4Is2Many, or Way2Improve or maybe Consolidate2Day. How about Facts4WarrenCounty? :) Seriously, why can't signs be put up that are pro-consolidation? Maybe with the facts about enrollment, etc. Anyone? While tempting to put Mr. Bauer's phone number on a sign, does anyone really think he will change his mind or give up his glory?
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warrentaxpayer
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10-27-09 3:39 PM
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Sounds like it's time to have Mr. Bauer's phone number on a sign. Leave the school board alone, they have their place to be asked questions and it's not on a sign!
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mindy27
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10-27-09 2:13 PM
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In responce to Hammer, ok more whining about paying school taxes. i dont know why people feel the need to complain about things they cannot change. its very SELFISH of you to say these kids have to go to a certain school just so you dont have to pay more taxes. Ok, you dont want to lose your home...understandable...but dont you think that in your "unselfishness" that these kids deserve their aducation as well??
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brianhagberg
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10-27-09 12:51 PM
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"Bauer needs to follow Mrs. Angove's lead and conduct himself and his group professionally." Good luck with that one fivealive.
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hammer
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10-27-09 12:02 PM
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You have a hand full of people thinking with their hearts instead of their brains.Consolidation must take place.If the Eisenhower district succeeds from the Warren district school taxes are going to skyrocket.As a retired person I'm on a fixed income. I do not or ever had children in the Warren school system.School taxes need to be reduced. I'm going to loose my home if I can't pay my school tax just so you keep Eisenhower open. You people are very selfish!!
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