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Traffic Confusion

Rights on reds confuse some drivers, but not the police

By BRIAN FERRY bferry@timesobserver.com
POSTED: October 22, 2009

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Right on red.

Not left, not straight, not even second right.

There are several intersections in Warren that cause confusion and sometimes moving violations for some motorists.

The north and south ends of the Hickory Street Bridge are two of them.

For those wishing to leave the south end of the bridge by making a right turn on red, they may certainly do so, with the appropriate caution, onto Crescent Park.

Drivers may not go straight through the intersection onto St. Clair on red, Warren Police Lt. Jim Jordan said Wednesday.

At the north end of the bridge, there is a traffic signal dedicated to right turns. There is also, a few feet from that light, a "no turn on red" sign. If the right-turn signal shows a green arrow, drivers may turn right onto Pennsylvania Avenue. If it's red, they may not.

"We get a lot of complaints," Jordan said. "That's posted no turn on red."

The intersection of Pennsylvania Avenue and Market Street has two spots where some drivers need clarification and there is another such location nearby.

Jordan said many drivers who are just passing through Warren take a left on red from Pennsylvania to go north on Market.

There is another of those dedicated traffic signals. Going through it on red is illegal. "When the other light turns green... you can't do that," Jordan said.

Northbound drivers on Market Street may not creep up past the stop line and make a right-on-red onto Pennsylvania. There is a different right-on-red option there.

"You could turn right onto Water Street," Jordan said.

There are two sets of traffic signals on that side of the intersection. Going through the first set on red to get to the second is not legal.

Traffic problems at the intersection sometimes result from drivers who are trying to get into CVS. "If you're heading east on Pennsylvania, you're not supposed to turn left into the CVS parking lot," Jordan said.

But, he admitted, "It happens all the time."

Jordan said the intersection of Pennsylvania Avenue East, South Street, and Plum Street is similar to the Pennsylvania-Water-Market location.

Turning right on red from eastbound Pennsylvania Avenue onto S. South Street is fine. But Plum is a different story, Jordan said.

Turning from either direction on Pennsylvania onto North South Street is illegal on school days from 7:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., Jordan said, but plenty of people continue to make that turn.

Jordan said the side exit from Family Video puts drivers on Carver Street. It should put them northbound on that one-way street, but many motorists don't realize that and head for Pennsylvania Avenue the wrong way.

School zones and speeding

There are several school zones in the city and police will issue tickets to people caught speeding in those areas.

"We have guys just pounding the school zones," Jordan said. "They're going to get a ticket if they're caught speeding in the school zones."

He said school has been back in session long enough for motorists to adjust.

The speed limits on the Third and Fifth Avenue bridges are related to the foot traffic from Beaty-Warren Middle School and Warren Area High School, Jordan said.

The 15 miles per hour speed limit signs are seldom obeyed, he said.

Despite the department's enforcement efforts, "people speed all the time," he said.

That has led to some recent crashes.

"For some reason, the 400 block of Conewango Avenue has just been a crash zone," Jordan said. "Residents of Jefferson (Street) are complaining about the intersection of Jefferson and Buchanan (Street)."

He said complaints have arrived at City Council asking for attention to those areas.

 
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samibigelow
10-23-09 12:23 PM
I have had people on Conewango on my bumper, trying to make me drive faster than the speed limit, to them I say " kiss my bumper". I agree the speed limits on the bridges are strange. This is the only place I have ever seen them.

justobserving
10-22-09 9:12 PM
I also live on Conewango Avenue. Speeding is terrible. I also observe the speed limit and have been passed right on Conewango! What is wrong with the Warren Police Department? I have complained about this several times to them. Has anyone ever seen someone pulled over for speeding in the recent past? It should be happening on a regular basis. I also agree that the speed limit should be lowered to 25; drive through any other town and the residential areas have a speed limit that is enforced.

cstout1blue
10-22-09 12:25 PM
Could this article be any more confusing? Why in a small town like Warren do you need different instructions at each intersection? After living in a town similar to the size of Warren, we have pretty simple lights. Either you can or can't turn on red. We don't have confusing right turn arrows and the right and strait lanes are always together and not left and strait like it is at the end of the Hickory street Bridge. Come on Warren..... make this easier for everyone.

bhildom
10-22-09 8:16 AM
The 15 MPH speed limits on 3rd & 5th Ave bridges are insane. It is mostly ignored.

srphotog
10-22-09 7:32 AM
Another traffic issue: Slow drivers in the left lane going through N. Warren. I recently traveled to Michigan and saw some signs I thought would work for N. Warren. "Keep Right - Pass Left" I know the law states this clearly, but people need a reminder. It disrupts the flow of traffic having people going under the speed limit in the left lane, especially if they don't turn left for several blocks.

(And please forgive my typos this morning; coffee hasn't kicked in yet.)

srphotog
10-22-09 7:26 AM
I thought the area between 5th and Hatch Run falls (at some point) into the state police jurisdiction? I don't know that for sure. Anyway, enforcement really is the biggest issue here. Aside from motorists not obeying clearly marked traffic signs and signals, there seems to be a lack of common sense and a greater sense of entitlement. I've encountered the road rage, and it amazes me how people feel they 'own the road' to the point that everybody's lives (including their own) are put in danger to uphold this distorted belief. I know the laws have changed in the past fifty years and new signs and signals exist, but the DMV gives out free drivers manuals so we can refresh our skills and knowledge.

There are a few intersections where turning LEFT has become a problem as well. Example: Left onto W. PA Ave. for Northbound traveler's leaving the Hickory Street Bridge. It creates a problem for motorists trying to go around them.

bhildom
10-22-09 7:13 AM
Solutions: Lowering the speed limit on all of Conewango Ave within the city from 35 to 25 and enforcement by WPD and state police. The intersection of 5th Ave & Conewango must be redesigned with left turn lanes and signals on Conewango Ave. Penn DOT is in no hurry to rebuild Conewango Ave, even though it is pot hole riddled and the pavement resembles a washboard. I fear that if the rough road is repaired the speeds will increase. City council needs to investigate the problems on Conewango Ave and get Penn DOT involved since it’s their road.

bhildom
10-22-09 7:12 AM
I live on the 400 block of Conewango Ave and speeding is the biggest problem. I do my duty by driving 35 mph on Conewango Ave, but I’m frequently a victim of road-rage consisting of tailgating, horn honking and being given the finger. Since the traffic signal at Conewango Ave and Macpherson St was eliminated Conewango Ave has been turned into a freeway from 5th Ave to Hatch Run Road. I’ve complained several times to WPD about the speeding, but they are doing the best they can with limited resources (no RADAR).

writer10
10-22-09 1:04 AM
As far as the 400 block of Conewango goes it comes down to speed. From the light on fifth ave on there are no more lights. Traffic lights and or stop signs are needed to slow traffic down. I used to live on the 400 block of Conewango, people would be going in excess of 50mph. I used to pull in front of them to slow them down a bit. Too many open roads going through town. Also Conewango Ave is an escape route for drunk drivers. Which is apparent by three major DUI crashes in a two month span. Would be a good place to set up a DUI check point.

writer10
10-22-09 12:58 AM
Jefferson and Buchanan is a bad intersection. Too much of a straight away for cars on Jefferson resulting in faster moving cars. Often time you can't see passed parked cars to tell if a car is coming. Also same situation with Jackson and Buchanan, cars on Jackson are often going 40+mph, compile that with semi-heavy traffic on Buchanan and it can be a nightmare. The speed limits on the bridges is just plan nuts. Specially after reading the reason for it on here. There are barriers on them to protect the walkers, what the difference there and anywhere else people are walking on the sidewalk. Most of what's on here is people just not paying attention. I always laugh when people go through the red light on the south side of the hickory st bridge. Hello there is a rd right there that you're driving past to make your "right turn".

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