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November 12, 2013

Dear editor: Recently, you have published letters raising the recurring concerns of the Christian faithful when local government discusses the intercourse between church and state....

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Mamaofateenandtot

Nov-12-13 7:22 AM

Sarcasm: And it was just great taking prayer out of schools, taking the 10 commandments out of courtrooms, and make sure you say "Happy Holidays!" and not "Merry Christmas!" when in public! This is what is wrong with our country!

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st0newa11

Nov-12-13 10:06 AM

I believe our Constitution attempts to guarantee freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. No matter what tactics atheists/agnostics employ, I shall forever and always exercise my faith in the one, true God wherever and whenever I choose. God bless YOU, Happy Thanksgiving to the source of our bountiful blessings, and Merry Christmas as we celebrate the earthly birth of His son!

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BrookP

Nov-12-13 2:34 PM

Excellent letter! The founding fathers were so right. It's to everyone's best interest to keep religion out of government so that freedom of belief is retained by all. You should always be able to practice your faith. That is what the founding fathers wanted for us. The caution is that we must be vigilant that your right to practice your faith doesn't infringe on someone else's right to practice a different faith. To that end, the Constitution precludes government from legislating faith or promoting one particular faith. This is one of the root issues for our country being formed.

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justobserving

Nov-12-13 2:57 PM

I cannot see where singing christian songs in the park is government promoting christianity. Singing Jazz songs, does that promote something? What if i don't like Jazz, can i sue? I think the country needs to take a step back and really take a good hard look at where it is going, and the things we have lost along the way like, for example, common sense!

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st0newa11

Nov-12-13 4:11 PM

100% in agreement with BrookP and JustObserving on this one.

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archaeo1

Nov-13-13 12:07 AM

, Mamma of Fat Teen @tot. Now That I know what is wrong with our country. I for one will focus on what is right in our country...Please hold as I try to adjust my focus..

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Sisyphus

Nov-13-13 2:22 PM

Woooo Hoooo!!! Archaeo1, that sure was clever what you did there, mixing up and adding letters to turn "Mamaofateenandtot" into "Mamma of Fat Teen @tot." What happened to civility. If you disagree with "M"'s post, then voice your disagreement based upon the merits, not by resorting to name calling. Atheists and Agnostics don't get a free pass when it comes to courtesy. Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

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Heydrich

Nov-13-13 4:27 PM

Courtesy? Civility? I don't think many on here know the "C" words.

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archaeo1

Nov-13-13 5:21 PM

The "C" word The "N" word The "B" word And Heres one the Times observer doesn't like ....The "J" word. Were getting pretty soft as a society . Heres one we should worry about "REDSKIN". Now seriously I never much liked her handle if shes worried about the kids weight get em some exercise and cut out the white flour products...

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25or624

Nov-13-13 6:14 PM

Moma: So you are in favor of Jewish kids and Hindu kids being forced to recite a Christian prayer. How is that different than Afghanistan where Christians are forced to obey Muslim dicta? And, by the way, there is no law, in this country, at least, that prohibits anyone saying "Merry Christmas." If you can find one, I'd be interested in reading it. My ancestors came to this land to escape religious persecution by...guess who...other Christians.

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MyOpinion

Nov-13-13 9:39 PM

Well said Mr. Frazier, kudos to you. You have studied what the framers of the Constitution meant with the first amendment. The framers put their thoughts on paper as they worked to word the Constitution. They discussed the thoughts that developed this document. Those who don't understand the basis of the meaning of the Constitution should read the Federalist Papers. Many of our forefathers wrote their thoughts which give further meaning to the brevity of the official law of the land. Our forefathers were religious men, but they were acutely aware of the dangers of mixing religion and government, and it was from them that the Wall of Separation between religion and government arose. Hil***ale College offers a free on line course on the Constitution to anyone that chooses to take it. Additionally, they will send anyone a free copy of the Constitution. Some could broaden their education if they choose.

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Mamaofateenandtot

Nov-14-13 9:01 AM

archaeo1, Never liked my handle? I guess your not as smart as you think you are. It is Mama of a teen and tot! I have a teenager and a tot!! Neither are overweight!! 25or624, I never specified that "Merry Christmas" was against the law, only socially unacceptable as to not offend anyone even though it is "Christ"mas! Then again, whenever sticking up for Christians, I expect to be ganged up on by the all knowing atheists! I would never expect someone to be forced into worshipping Christ. At the same time I resent being told that I may not express or celebrate my religion. I'll bet you all have no problem taking paid Christmas or Easter at your employment!! Bitter much? How about picking on Muslims or Jews and going out your way to try to disprove their religions?

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BrookP

Nov-14-13 12:47 PM

Mama, we have the same lack of belief in the gods of those religions, too. Sun god, Greek god, Bible god, Quran god...it's all the same fantasy to a non-believer. This country has never told you that you couldn't express and celebrate your belief system. That is your Constitutional-given right. You can say Merry Christmas to your heart's content. But, people who deal with the public (retail, government, service providers) run into people of all faiths. According to a Diversity Calendar which I just viewed, there are 16 holidays in November and December that are from different religions and cultures that are active in the USA. So, because public persons don't know who they are dealing with as someone approaches, Happy Holidays is sometimes more appropriate for them to say. If you say Merry Christmas to me on the street, I'll just say "thanks, to you to." It's not a big deal to me.

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Heydrich

Nov-14-13 3:00 PM

BrookP, retail business's are privately owned and can do as they darned well please. Appropriate? You are painfully thin-skinned to even suggest it is appropriate to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" for fear of offending someone. Kudos to all who stand up for what they BELIEVE IN. Kudos to the large employer on the west end for annually displaying a manger scene. Shame on you, Brook, for continually referring to people's "fantasies" because it doesn't fit what you believe. May you be offended many times this CHRISTMAS SEASON by people who stand up for what they believe in instead of cowering to oversensitive, control freaks like yourself.

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MTOMTO

Nov-14-13 3:49 PM

I was told that Walmart requires their employees to say "Happy Holidays" they get in trouble if they say "Merry Christmas", is that true?

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st0newa11

Nov-14-13 9:31 PM

MTO, that is not true. I have been told Merry Christmas many times by WallyWorld employees. Every year I pass out "Merry Christmas" buttons that I purchase from the American Family Association. Many WallyWorld employees have publicly worn these buttons while at work. I believe that there has been a backlash against the "happy holidays" movement and you WILL see the word "Christmas" in many businesses. To those opposed to Thanksgiving to the God who blesses us, and the celebration of His son's birth: will you protest being forced to take the day off to celebrate, and insist on going to work those days? I thought not. On a related note: Psalms 14:1 says, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

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BrookP

Nov-14-13 10:51 PM

Heydrich, did you read anything I said? You seem to respond to what you think someone said, not what they actually said. Obviously, I'm not thin-skinned. I stated that I'll return a Merry Christmas to one offered. I'll return any greeting extended to me. It's an act of courtesy in public. Also, please tell me why I should be ashamed of stating my beliefs and position. Are you ashamed for stating your belief positions and knocking down my positions? If you're going to call out someone for something, you shouldn't be doing the same thing, yourself. Just saying. I'm not controlling you at all. You're free to say what you want and I am, also. You even said "Kudos to all who stand up for what they BELIEVE IN." Thanks. I'll take that as a compliment from you to me.

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BrookP

Nov-14-13 10:55 PM

stonewall, you said "will you protest being forced to take the day off to celebrate, and insist on going to work those days?" Why would I protest a day off. I don't care what the reason is. If my employer wants to give me a paid day off, woohoo. I'm all for it.

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BrookP

Nov-14-13 11:02 PM

Apparently, several of you missed the point about the Diversity Calendar. There are several holidays from different faiths that are celebrated during the same months that Christians celebrate Christmas. Last time I checked, Christians didn't own December. Is it really so hard to comprehend that when you have customers of many different faiths, all of which have holidays during the same time frame, that you would want to come up with a greeting that would apply to everyone coming through the door? This really is a very simple concept.

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Heydrich

Nov-14-13 11:32 PM

BrookP, you attempt to convince us to accept your interpretation of the Constitution, which is fine. But then you lump retail stores and service providers in with government. Frankly, neither you nor anyone else has any business suggesting what any of these people should do or say. People need to stop trying to appease everyone by altering their own behaviors. It is not possible. I detest political correctness and all the liberal babies that are trying to control what I do or say. I will continue to say "Merry Christmas" in my store, and if I offend someone, I honestly don't care.

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Heydrich

Nov-15-13 8:19 PM

I cannot understand how MTOMTO got disagreed with for asking a question.

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BrookP

Nov-18-13 1:19 AM

Once again, Heydrich, you didn't read what I wrote. I was not suggesting anything. I was explaining why some retailers choose to use a more general holiday greeting. If you want to say Merry Christmas, that's up to you. No one is telling you to do otherwise.

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