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November 8, 2013

Dear editor: While it seems appropriate that Council has adopted Music in the Park and that Mr....

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Backwoods

Nov-11-13 7:29 AM

BrookP – Because of time I only got these two researched, but I will make it a point to answer you on the others by sometime tomorrow.

Thanks

Backwoods

P.S. I really do live out in the backwoods

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Backwoods

Nov-11-13 7:25 AM

BrookP - So you know, it's untrue that Jewish women were viewed as property. Read the Talmud.

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Backwoods

Nov-11-13 7:24 AM

BrookP – you referred to Deuteronomy 22:28-29;

28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

In Biblical times, a Hebrew woman who was never married, yet was not a virgin, had no hope of marriage. She was destined to a lifetime of financial hardship and had no chance of having a child. God decreed to the Jewish men that if they rape a Jewish virgin, they must support her for the rest of her life. I see nothing wrong with this in the context of Biblical society. There's nothing in this law that says she must live with him, or even have sex with him ever again. On the other hand, he was on the line for all the camels, tents and food she wanted!

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Backwoods

Nov-11-13 7:20 AM

BrookP – Abram and Sarai whom later God changed their name to Abraham and Sarah were born in the tenth generation after Noah. They were half brother and half sister. Both had the same father “Terah.” Abram’s mother was ”Juna” and “Sarai’s” mother was “Lahazib, some say “Tahuitha.” At that time it was lawful for them to marry. Remember that after the flood there were only three couples to repopulate the earth, Noah three sons and their wife’s.

When you refer to Deuteronomy 27:22 it was a law given by Moses to the Israelites and was to be followed upon their entry into the Promised Land after they crossed the Jordon River. You need to remember that there were six generations from Abraham to Moses.

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Backwoods

Nov-09-13 8:13 AM

BrookP – I want to thank you for your response, I do not have time to review what you posted until later tonight or tomorrow afternoon or evening. But I will go over all of the scriptures you mention and give you a reply.

I just want to say thanks again for taking the time and effort to answer my question. I’ll be back!!!

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BrookP

Nov-09-13 12:26 AM

Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.- Deuteronomy 27:22 versus And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. - Genesis 20:11,12. How about this: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. --What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

Seriously, this could go on all night, but I don't have time for it.

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BrookP

Nov-09-13 12:18 AM

Seriously, backwood. Have you ever read the thing. It's vile. There are immoral acts committed by its God that are recorded. Wow, just Google violence and contradictions of the bible. You'll find thousands of examples with references to the passages. Sorry for the cut and paste, but it's just too easy. This just touches the surface: The God of the Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. Thou shalt not kill - Exodus 20:13 vs Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side... and slay every man his brother.

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Backwoods

Nov-08-13 2:46 PM

Brookp – I would like to know some of the flaws, inconsistencies and contradictions that you are talking about. I admit that there are immoral acts that are recorded as acts of unrighteousness.

I hope you list them, I would like to research them myself. --- Thanks

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BrookP

Nov-08-13 1:31 PM

Heydrich, the Christmas season was long ago adapted by many to be just a season of family, friends, gift giving, and good cheer, instead of a religious celebration.

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BrookP

Nov-08-13 1:26 PM

This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion. No one is banning Christian or any other religious music from Music in the Park. The concern is that government cannot constitutionally promote a religion. If a religious group wants to apply for a spot on the schedule, that's fine. That's much different from the government recruiting a particular religious group. This doesn't need to be a big deal.

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garypayton

Nov-08-13 1:26 PM

Easter is the most important Christian holiday. Christmas was invented later.

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ProudCountyResident

Nov-08-13 1:22 PM

The original news was about the council taking over "Music in the Park". As it is a government run event now, there cannot be any overtly religious themes as that would be considered an endorsement of religion, which has been interpreted by the supreme court to be tantamount to "establishing a religion." As this would be contrary to the first amendment of the constitution, the city cannot host Christian, Jewish, or any other overtly religious music at the government sponsored event.

If the same band is to play at the same location, but not during the sponsored event, they are totally within their rights - unless they are violating a city ordinance and not paying thousands in usage fees, but I digress.

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Sasquatch

Nov-08-13 11:00 AM

Definition of Christmas (n)

Christ·mas [ kríssm?ss ]

1.festival celebrating birth of Jesus Christ: a Christian festival marking the birth of Jesus Christ.

2.Christmas period: the period around December 25, or the Christian church season extending from December 24 to January 6

3.quarter day: in England, Wales, and Ireland, one of the four quarter days, falling on December 25

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Sasquatch

Nov-08-13 10:47 AM

"I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that god governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that tan empire can rise without His aid?

... I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business..." - Benjamin Franklin The single statement that change the outlook of the creation of our nation.

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Heydrich

Nov-08-13 9:59 AM

Yes, Jimmy, you are correct again. They WILL take the Christmas bonus.

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Heydrich

Nov-08-13 9:58 AM

rancor says, "Heydrich... as I am sure you are well aware Christmas is not originally a christian holiday. It was co-opted by the catholic church from pagans as a means of converting them." During OUR ENTIRE LIVES, Christmas has been a Christian celebration. It's origins, in this conversation, are as irrelevant as the swastika originally being a good luck charm.

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Jimmy1

Nov-08-13 9:33 AM

Heydrich In response if they are a JW yes that's how they live. But trust me they will take that Christmas bonus!

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Jimmy1

Nov-08-13 9:28 AM

Don't want to hear it don't go! Simple. Stupid town allows the KKK to have their day on the court house steps, but block Christian music in the park? Really?

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Rancor

Nov-08-13 8:32 AM

Heydrich... as I am sure you are well aware Christmas is not originally a christian holiday. It was co-opted by the catholic church from pagans as a means of converting them.

Every aspect you listed originated from pagans celebrating the winter solstice. (orginally a 4 day celebration culminating on the .... 25th of decemeber)

So as you feel no hipocracy celebrating it in light of those facts neither do I.

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Mythiama

Nov-08-13 8:19 AM

"A good Christian is a good Muslim, is a good Buddhist, is a good Hindu, etc., and vice versa!" ;-)

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Heydrich

Nov-08-13 8:07 AM

warrenparentof3, I assume then, to avoid hypocrisy, you do NOT celebrate the biggest Christian holiday of them all,CHRISTmas. I shall assume you watch no Christmas shows, sing no songs, buy your children no gifts, have no tree, and BEG your boss to work that day to avoid being a hypocrite. It's just another day to you, right?

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warrenparentof3

Nov-08-13 7:08 AM

Some of the biggest hypocrites i know are church goers and christian music lovers.let them sing God knows what they do in their homes!

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Kinzua1

Nov-08-13 5:39 AM

If we want to listen or sing Christian music,then do it,I do.I'll NOT let some group tell me what to listen to or sing.If they don't like it they can go to the "Hot Spot". Don't give up.

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Kinzua1

Nov-08-13 5:39 AM

If we want to listen or sing Christian music,then do it,I do.I'll NOT let some group tell me what to listen to or sing.If they don't like it they can go to the "Hot Spot". Don't give up.

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reasonrules

Nov-08-13 5:35 AM

Facts please. Most of the founding fathers were Diests. Christians killed people in that time period who didn't believe what they did.Your jesus is just a story. Keep your religion in your home and in your church not in the public streets.

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