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Class Rank Kicked Back To Committee

AP, dual enrollment complicate

August 14, 2013

The lack of consistency between Advanced Placement and dual enrollment courses in the formula for class rank garnered significant discussion during the Warren County School District school board’s......

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Brazil

Aug-14-13 9:02 AM

Call me confused I guess. Do not AP students have marking period grades and a final grade for the course? Wouldn't that determine a student's worthiness for a bump in points? Isn't the reason they are getting the bump is to acknowledge the fact that they are taking a course with considerably higher demands than what their classmates are taking? Shouldn't the AP student getting an 89 be allowed some additional credit over the Science Survey student getting a 93? As far as Ms. Stewart's assertion regarding teacher demands in multiple class subjects that "We may have that under control" I would respectfully suggest she get out of the office a bit more and talk to students. She might find it's not so under control. Silly extra credit not even related to coursework being offered in one class and rigorous instruction with no breaks in another class is very common in our District.

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oldgran

Aug-14-13 10:17 AM

And you have "first hand" knowledge of this because you live here and personally go to the schools and observe these things???

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saveourschools

Aug-14-13 10:31 AM

Old gran, maybe Brazil has kids in school, that's enough first hand knowledge. Brazil, the reason it is not enough is because unless the kids in that class pass the class, they are not truly earning ap college credit. We have a shortage of kids taking the test because many know they can't pass it and some just want the bump in their GPA and not the credit. By not taking the test, the true barometer of passage is incomplete. Now if a kid takes an actual college dual enrollment course and withdraws before they complete the work they do not gain credit for the class. In gaining credit for the class, students should have to take the test, even if it is a mock exam....

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saveourschools

Aug-14-13 10:33 AM

Sorry, typo, should have said pass the test....

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saveourschools

Aug-14-13 10:39 AM

As far as control, Amy Stewart, does not want any courses taught by other than district teachers to count. I notice that this article completely ignored that Donna Z also asked for dual enrollment statistics including information of what happened with last years Pitt Bradford program. last year they offered 2 courses at Sheffield. One course Pitt main said they would not even give credit for because it was remedial! De purpose is for college credit and enrichment. If our own chemistry courses such so bad that we are offering de remedial Chem, that's a problem. And why should anyone have to pay for that? Many colleges also won't accept college taught by high school teachers.

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Commenter

Aug-14-13 1:05 PM

The idea behind the 10 point "bump" for AP classes is that they are much more rigorous than their CP counterpart. For example, if a student takes CP English and ends the year with a 93%, do they actually deserve a better grade than the student who takes AP Literature and scores 87%? The boost exists to encourage students to challenge themselves. If it did not exist, then our brightest students could refrain from taking AP classes for fear of damage to their class rank.

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Commenter

Aug-14-13 1:12 PM

Also, AP teachers undergo training by the College board and are required to use the AP curriculum, so it's not like just any unqualified teacher can just teach an ap course.

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Brazil

Aug-14-13 3:08 PM

Interesting comment SOS and I sometimes am amazed at the motivations and calculations that kids/parents will use. I do agree with Commenters point though. I am of the understanding that the AP curriculum is more difficult then the College prep curriculum. Also it is my understanding, that those taking certain Honors classes also get a bump. I agree that if I'm not looking to go to Yale then why not take the easier course and sail through. I think some incentive has to be there or you will have a much reduced group of kids extending themselves, a point Ms. Zaricny doesn't seem to note. Of course getting rid of the silly class ranking that more and more Colleges and high schools are ignoring would help.

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saveourschools

Aug-14-13 9:54 PM

The question is not do they deserve a boost but how much should the boosts be? Honors courses get a boost too but ap and de get the same boost or bump. They get 10. The problem is that many students take the appears course without taking the ap test. The test is what is needed to gain college credit. If the student is not completing the requirements to gain college credit, then should it be weighted the same as a college course? This is the dilemma, how to score the classes properly, not whether or not they should be scored higher. Personally, without the test, I don't think it should be higher than an honors course which does receive a bump over cp courses.

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PedroJoe

Aug-15-13 1:36 AM

Wow...so much angst over something that pertains to perhaps five or six students per building.

I wish our school directors and administrators would pay as much attention to the educational needs to the students who may not be in the Top 10 of their class, but are working hard in their courses with plans to eventually earn a college degree.

My kids took some AP courses a few years back, but never took the tests. They wanted to get a good base in calculus, for example, before heading off to college. They had no intention of skipping over Calc 1 at their universities, so there was no reason to pay for the expense of taking the tests.

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Brazil

Aug-15-13 8:43 AM

SOS - I think your compromise idea is a good one 5 point bump for taking the course and a 10 point bump if you pass the test. Pedro - Good comments as well. I had one course that I got College credit for and started at second level. It turned out not to be the best decision as I think I would have been better off taking the initial course.

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