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April 15, 2013

A question arose at last week’s meeting of the Warren County School District’s board of directors that is increasingly common among district residents: Where do you go to get answers on district......

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MTOMTO

Apr-19-13 4:41 PM

"...or maybe you have sat on that board before"

I wouldn't mind, if I could have a cushion.

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saveourschools

Apr-19-13 12:18 PM

...or maybe you have sat on that board before, or lost an election to sit on that board, it doesn't mean you can't run again. It only means that with an opening in each attendance area, it makes your argument look all the more foolish.

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saveourschools

Apr-19-13 12:13 PM

PP, I find it interesting that you do not have the local board members "backs" but you take any opportunity to compliment them. "Plungegate" is another topic and many people have not seen my rtk information on that. The reason is that I am uncomfortable with 2 major factors. One is that the district has given out 2 very conflicting rtk reports to 2 different people and the second is the lack of being able to confirm that all donations have been deposited appropriately due to the donor information being redacted. It is hard to ignore the date of when charges posted to the district credit card were just after the weekend of the plunge. I find it interesting that you solely recognize the empty seats as being the only ones to fill. There are seats up for grabs in EACH attendance region, if you feel so strongly, and you obviously have more knowledge than some about the district, I trust that you will be running against someone for one of those seats....

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PulledPork

Apr-16-13 9:26 AM

156850

I believe the "plungegate" is a nonissue. It is my understanding that the money was being raised for student lunches (those that could not pay). I believe that is exactly where the funds eneded up and there is a papertrail. You should do a RTK if Ms. Peterson and her group have not done so already.

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PulledPork

Apr-16-13 9:08 AM

Sick, I have no ones "back". I think this whole issue needs to be explained in more detail by the board and that it was not handled correctly. Not a single post of mine varies from that.

I also believe that if something is important, you make time for it. With open board seats and council seats, it would appear that these issues are not as important as some make them out to be.....or they would fill those.

Three current board members run their own businesses. Two have a child(ren) in the district who are active in extra-curricular and volunteer groups outside of school. A large majority have children and grand children. Many of them volunteer outside of volunteering for the board. Some are, most likely, dealing with sickness and unfortunate day to day life issues. However, they found the time. Hence it must have been important to them.

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156850

Apr-15-13 8:46 PM

Where is the Polar Plunge money? Details, details....

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SpaceLady

Apr-15-13 8:20 PM

So now that the board has been called out on a cover-up the lectures begin. I find it humorous that Mr. Stewart feels the negative comments should stop because it's only hurting the children. Mr. Stewart, it is bad decisions made by the board that hurt the children. The board has been duly elected to support the community, education and children. Teachers, teachers aides and others have been lost due to budget cuts. The board then granted large increases for extra work by CO administrators. That money could have been saved! Others are expected to do more. Why do an elite few deserve more when many do more for nothing. It's disgusting! High priced meals, bogus moving expenses, gambling cover-ups, crowding students, lack of appropriate textbooks, paying high attorney fees, administrators on conferences while teachers are being denied, no accountability! That is what is hurting the community and the children. Now ask yourself...who is responsible? The board is!

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oldgran

Apr-15-13 7:25 PM

My goodness people.....the word is than not then.

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Brazil

Apr-15-13 2:46 PM

Pulled Pork - The rising tone comes from a Board that wouldn't level with the Public about serious issues related to the Superintendent, reimbursed that Superintendent for travel unrelated to moving expenses, and larded gigantic bonuses on executive staff at time when everyone else was being told to sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. Livelyhoods and careers were affected yet this Board coddled those closest to them with extra monies, while my Middle School and Elementary son and daughter bring home textbooks that are falling apart.Their motivation apparently was to protect and take care of those with whom they had most familiarity with and to the rest they basically said "it is what it is". As I have said before to the Board in person and on this message board. Good luck with your next contract negotiations.

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saveourschools

Apr-15-13 2:45 PM

Pp, brow beaten..hmmm, so lack of transparency and violations of trust doesn't warrant some amount of brow beating? This is not a matter of disagreeing, this is a matter of our board and directors crossing a line, stomping on it, rubbing dirt into it, then pretending like they never did a thing. If someone wasn't willing to do some of those things you mentioned, no one would ever know any truth and we would be living in the land of Oz, refusing to look at the man behind the curtain. I have done many of the things that you listed, except for building a social media site, I solely post, and I will tell you that those things do not take countless hours. Again, our lives are based on limitations. In 20 minutes, the rest of my day will be filled with chasing my limitations but limitations can be adjusted and you never know what they future will hold.

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MTOMTO

Apr-15-13 2:42 PM

"Although, when the tone becomes brow beating and authoritarian, then it becomes something different."

That sounds like an opinion.

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Mamaofateenandtot

Apr-15-13 2:41 PM

I would just like to say in response to some of pulled porks comments that some of us have eldery family members that we care for in addition to children, jobs, and vollunteer at the school on a regular basis. Just because we do not have the time to serve on the school board, does not mean especially as parents, we should not have the right to voice our concern and call the school board out when they are not being forthcoming. We need people like Nicole Peterson to stand up for us and let us know what is going on because so much information is swept under the rug. She serves us better as an advocate then she would on the board because she can freely pass on this information without the pressure of the rest of the board. They need to be held accountable by someone. I thank Nicole and other advocates like her.

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PulledPork

Apr-15-13 2:00 PM

Criticism is fine. Although, when the tone becomes brow beating and authoritarian, then it becomes something different.

I would venture to guess that if someone has enough time to call architects, Auditors, file right to knows, build pages on social media, rally others to do the same, spend countless hours picking apart the actions of a 9 member board, email the members of that board, etc.... that they have time to run and serve on a board. Some posters here and there have done all of these things.

I for one, as a citizen and taxpayer, would love to see them do it and instill the transparency that is lost and provide direction that is missing.

My time has come and passed. In it I have served in voluntary, paid and elected positions. If it moved or bothered me enough to get fired up about it then it motivated me enough to join or run.

I have tried to make a difference. You would have to ask others if I was successful.

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saveourschools

Apr-15-13 1:29 PM

I'm not an expert on everything but I am outspoken about what I care about. To assume people can only be active in the process if they step into a particular role is wrong. We entrust others with certain roles and step into our own roles based on our limitations. We also should not assume the game is over just because someone has refused to throw a hail Mary in the first quarter. If that is your way, then it is only fair for the question to be thrown back at you. Have you ran for any office that you have ever criticized? Maybe you have, maybe you have not but if I was serving on the school board is it then not fair of me to criticize the city because I didn't choose to run for city council? Would it be fair of me to run if my limitations were such that I could not serve in a consistent fashion? Maybe I am throwing my Fannie in and you just aren't privy to that information yet just as you may be a former board candidate and I'm not privy to that info.

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saveourschools

Apr-15-13 1:11 PM

But the thought of someone thinking the district was being ran successfully was good....many issues are laid at the feet of our board president and for good reason but we must not forget that it is a board of nine.

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saveourschools

Apr-15-13 1:08 PM

You spoke of volunteers and the wcsd....excuse me for reading it as if you were posting about the district. For your information, the particular board member you added speaking about does have a child in the district.

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PulledPork

Apr-15-13 12:57 PM

SOS, you appear to be a self annoited expert on most everything. Do you have knowledge that would indicate that Mr. Stewart has not run a successful Law Practice or OGM Business or are you allowing your personal hatred of his job on the school board to skew the facts just a wee bit?

The fact that the school district is run in a troubling fashion does not equate to his personal businesses being in the same boat.

You have digressed from rational conversation to personal attacks. Typical of the backyard bully type......or do you have bad meds?

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saveourschools

Apr-15-13 12:52 PM

Ok, I was going to post back pulledpork to continue having an intelligent conversation about why you are wrong but then you posted about the district being ran successfully....oh my word....really? I hope those are legally prescribed drugs....

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Publish

Apr-15-13 12:47 PM

If it is worth anything, I think that write-ins can be effective in many ways other than an outright victory. Depends on your goals.

Also would appear that Pulled and Brazil are arguing similar points from different perspectives. That is, things were not done right and there needs to be accountability and change.

Just my two cents.

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PulledPork

Apr-15-13 12:41 PM

Brazil, it is rather obvious that you have not read some of the non WTO and letter to the editor rants by many of the same individuals. Just because the behavior is proper in your class doesn't mean they act the same in every teacher's room. Maybe it is caused by the red dye.

Regardless, I thought Ms Peterson's letter to the editor was good. But that is irrelevant to my point. I also agree with Mr. Stewart that public floggings will do little to dissuade the behavior of volunteers. Especially Volunteers that run a business, rather successfully, and whose children are no longer part of the insanity known as the WCSD. Equates to trying to teach a pig to sing. The pig just gets ticked off and you just get frustrated.

Energy would be better spent on making a difference not talking about it.

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PulledPork

Apr-15-13 12:36 PM

SOS, I did not speak a word about the crdibility of an argument at all. That is your chip not mine.

I simply stated that if one truly has all the answers and could do a better job they should take a swing at the ball. After all, the children's education and future is worth it.....isn't it?

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Brazil

Apr-15-13 12:26 PM

Pulled Pork I couldn't disagree more with your premise. I don't see venom in many of the posts and certainly not in Ms. Petersons letter to the editor. People want answers to specific questions. The Board President instead decides to pontificate on code and regulations. Just address the issues of bonuses and board reimbursements to the former Superintendent. He speaks volumes by not addressing the issues and instead lecturing everyone on regulations and protocol. He needs to step to the plate and explain in the tough environment we are in budgetarily why the Board felt bonuses were a more pressing need then textbooks, custodians, teachers, teacher aides, school supplies, support extra-curriculars etc.

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saveourschools

Apr-15-13 12:21 PM

Pulledpork....one only needs to be a voter to criticize those they voted for, to say they must put their hat in the ring for their arguments to be credible is simply a way to try to discredit criticism when there is no other argument. Some of the board members, their spouses, and directors are saying the same as you are. Some of our most heated elections have been by write in candidates so don't count the election out just to win an argument....in the end, you may just get your wish and regret what you are asking for...

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MTOMTO

Apr-15-13 11:36 AM

Would you really want me sitting on the board? Honestly?

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Brazil

Apr-15-13 11:33 AM

Also instead of Board President Stewart giving us a lecture on Section 2510 I was wondering what time his lecture will be on the Board granting exorbitant prespective bonuses to already highly paid administrators for the duration, if not longer, of the Superintendent's position being unfilled. Most struggling private businesses wouldn't take that sort of action, especially prespectively. A District which has with, a few notable political exceptions, pursued a scorched earth budget policy. Yes I yearn for the lecture on how this $10,000 per month expenditure was more important then adding back a couple needed positions, replacing some well worn out textbooks, etc. etc. etc. The Board appears unable and unwilling to answer those questions. Tomorrow we'll be on to the Board President's rendition of Section 2511, then 2512.

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