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Immigrants

March 14, 2013

Dear editor: In response to a recent letter on immigrants, patriotism and language learning, I would like to contribute some observations as a retired professor who has spent her life with foreign......

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Eaglewatcher

Mar-14-13 7:49 AM

Well said.

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25or624

Mar-14-13 8:04 AM

Exactly

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fivealive

Mar-14-13 8:50 AM

Amen!

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Lifelongresident

Mar-14-13 9:07 AM

Not exactly. Did the government send millions of dollars on special signage for your ancestors?

I don't think must people have a problem with immigrants that arrive and go through the legal naturalization process.

It the illegals that come here and don't go through that legal process to become citizens and bleed law abiding LEGAL citizen of their tax dollars.

All we ask is they become a legal immigrants, pay taxes and help support the county not be leaches.

Thanks

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dubedit

Mar-14-13 10:16 AM

Local, correct -- but this is nothing new. The same attitudes now found in Dearborn were found in the ghettoes of New York, Boston and Baltimore a century and more ago. The same secessionist/rebelliousness was found in the Pittsburgh area in the 1790s-1800s and in the Mormons of the 19th Century. The nation is in a constant state of flux and tensions. That's not good, but it is nothing new, and it can be dealt with.

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garypayton

Mar-14-13 11:58 AM

We have a Muslim and Mexican expert. Tell us more of your knowledge, but leave out the stuff you learned on the TV.

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st0newa11

Mar-14-13 1:43 PM

So, Ms B., Please answer why we must have SPANISH labels on EVERY product on our grocery store shelves? Why must ALL electronic products come with SPANISH instructions? This adds tremendous cost to all products, and discourages, rather than encourages assimilation to their new home. It screams, "DON'T MELT!! Stay as you are." I'm still looking for the salad bar advertised on the exit door at Lowes. I don't think it exists.

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dubedit

Mar-14-13 2:42 PM

Stonewall, there WAS a large initial expense to English-Spanish bilingualism, but by now it's absorbable. It doesn't cost Lowe's any statistically significant amount more to make a two-word sign than it does to make a one-word sign. And I'm finding that, despite myself and my learning-impaired seven decades, I'm learning some new words. I murmur the Spanish and English words to myself. That way, I learn the Spanish. Of course, that way, I also forget what I went into Lowe's to get -- but hell, I do that in English only at home, too!

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Lifelongresident

Mar-14-13 3:15 PM

Geesh people... Immigrants aren't the problem. ILLEGAL immigrants are the problem.

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Brazil

Mar-14-13 3:51 PM

So Lifelong, you don't have a problem with the bi-lingual signs as long as illegal immigrants aren't allowed to read them? I've gotten instructions on products in 4 or 5 languages. Maybe some of it is regulatory when it comes to Spanish but maybe some bright thinking person is thinking of it from a marketing point of view.

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Brazil

Mar-14-13 3:54 PM

Bravo Ms. Black. Last week we had a millstone put around our area's neck with a letter to the editior that was not only inaccurate in many of it's suppositons but screamed intolerance for diversity. Your letter was the perfect antidote. Variety is the spice of life!!

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Lifelongresident

Mar-14-13 4:01 PM

I don't care what private enterprises do to market to their customers.

I care when my tax dollars go to signage that caters to immigrants period. There was no change of signage for my ancestors when they arrived. They had to learn to read ENGLISH.

Second, I don't like the idea of my tax dollars supporting ILLEGAL immigrants so they get free medical care and get other government assistance when they never contributed and since they are illegal I assume they never plan to pay in, just take take take. But I guess you're okay with that. To each his own.

I just don't understand what part of "illegal" you people don't get.

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Lifelongresident

Mar-14-13 4:24 PM

I see no need for any signage changes: If people are legal there should be no problem.

United States Citizenship Requirements

To qualify for naturalization to the U.S., you must show the U.S. government evidence that you:

are at least 18 years old, lived as a legal immigrant in the U.S. for a specific period of time, lived for a specific period of time in the state or U.S. territory from where you are applying, have “good moral character” and have not been convicted of certain crimes, can speak, read and write in English, know the basics of U.S. history, government and civics, understand and have an attachment to the U.S. Constitution.

It seems some of you are advocating catering to people residing here illegally. What would be your reasoning for catering to criminals?

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garypayton

Mar-14-13 4:36 PM

All people that speak Spanish are not criminals or illegal. By 2050, Spanish will be the dominant language in the USA. You'll be happy for the bilingual signs then. Pretty thin skin to offended by a language other than English. BTW, in Spain, you see English everywhere and most Spanish speak English. Mexico too.

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garypayton

Mar-14-13 4:39 PM

Also, it is not necessary for you to read and write English to live in the USA legally. It's a citizenship requirement only for those that apply. It's not a port of entry requirement.

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reader

Mar-14-13 5:12 PM

i BELIEVE the previous writer may have been thinking of signage in a language other than english. why spanish? most legal immigrants come here and learn english, not make us learn their native tongue. speak your native tongue at home, but not when trying to order things, asking directions, or making small talk. czy rozumiesz?

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st0newa11

Mar-14-13 7:37 PM

"and most Spanish speak English"...except in the good ol' USA! PRESS "ONE" FOR ENGLISH...

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Lifelongresident

Mar-15-13 7:54 AM

Gary you're right you don't need to read or write English to be a legal immigrant. Just to be a citizen.

So you're saying we should cater signage etc... for short term visitors?

You're also right I am thin skinned when it comes to wasting my hard earned money.

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25or624

Mar-15-13 10:38 AM

Actually, Stonewall, most of the electronic products I buy have about six languages on the instructions. I'm thinking it's because those products are sold in a number of different countries. But, it doesn't make much difference, because I usually can't figure out the English instructions.

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Brazil

Mar-15-13 11:57 AM

Lifelong-Haven't done much traveling have you? There are bilingual, tri-lingual, quad-lingual signs and directions in much of the World. Maybe I should just look at your comment "you people" and I should understand where you are coming from.

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garypayton

Mar-15-13 1:20 PM

Xenophobia rears it's ugly head again.

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Lifelongresident

Mar-15-13 3:34 PM

I hope you're not trying to insinuate I'm a bigot.

By "you people" I was referring to anyone that believes we should just freely support illegal immigrants.

What do other countries have to do with any of this? Why would I care how other countries choose to spend their money?

I thought we were discussing our situation here in the USA.

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garypayton

Mar-15-13 4:06 PM

hope springs eternal

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Lifelongresident

Mar-15-13 4:23 PM

Wrong again Gary...

I have several business partners that are Chinese and Indian. I've welcomed them to my house for dinner. We share stories of our families and interests and have forged friendships.

So please stop your insinuations.

I don't make an assumptions about you in these discussions. Why do you seem to always have to resort to this?

I ask questions to try to understand how others view things and in return I get this crap.

I always try to be respectful I don't ever try to put words in your mouths. If I don't understand where you're coming from I ask you.

You instead make assumptions about me.

Classy.

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garypayton

Mar-15-13 5:53 PM

Methinks you protest too much. I didn't call you a bigot, you did. I opined that your viewpoints are xenophobic. Not the same thing. Why are you opinions any more valid than mine? Why are my opinions so darn offensive to you? You don't have to hysterically defend yourself. We all have opinions. It's my opinion that multi-lingualsim is cool. The United States is one of the most mono-lingual countries on Earth. I think that is changing and that change is positive. BTW, I made up the word "multi-lingualsim" but I think it captures the sentiment.

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