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Our opinion: Just get on with it

February 28, 2013

OK, enough. Enough squabbling over a traffic light at the one intersection in the city that has the most vehicular traffic coupled with the most pedestrian traffic....

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Themattmobile

Feb-28-13 4:02 AM

Someone remarked recently that downtown warren is supposed to be a pedestrian environment. Park a block away and walk. Well,here ya go.

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Heydrich

Feb-28-13 7:01 AM

"In each case the city has soldiered on with setbacks ranging from a leaky, rusting garage to a hotel/conference center project where the developer walked away." (A.) The design of the parking garage was flawed from the beginning and unsuitable for the area. Warren got precisely what they paid for. (B.) If anybody would have paid any attention at all to the first NUMEROUS FEASIBILITY STUDIES regarding the proposed convention center, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been saved.

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Heydrich

Feb-28-13 7:09 AM

Regarding the feasibility studies, I just love when people ask advice from others, formally or otherwise, but disregard the advice because they did not get the answer they wanted. When multiple feasibility studies said "NO" to the convention center, our elected officials should have had the intelligence and integrity to heed the advice, protect our tax dollars, and walk away.

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Heydrich

Feb-28-13 7:21 AM

All this "squabbling" may be tiresome, but our elected officials have let the taxpayers down time and time again through their incompetence, selfishness, or just plain oversight and these taxpayers have every right to be upset by it. NO ACCOMMODATIONS FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT ONE OF WARREN'S BUSIEST INTERSECTIONS??? Who is REALLY responsible for this? We're upset because this is a circus. We're upset because every time we turn around it's a new dumb event. A couple of months ago, $17,000 of blacktop was laid, then they dug trenches through it within days to lay something that should have been done before. It's just one example of many, but we the taxpayers ask, "when is this circus going to end"? Is this really the best any of these people can do their jobs? We are tired of PAYING FOR OTHER'S MISTAKES!

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Heydrich

Feb-28-13 7:30 AM

Even if there was no intention to replace the light at Liberty/Pennsylvania Ave. immediately, the accommodations should have been in place to do so in the future. Again, I believe the frustration is with our elected officials lack of foresight or inability to take good advice which consequently costs us all MORE MONEY. We just want the incompetence to end. It's not ultimately about the traffic light, it's the seemingly never-ending waste of our money due to poor decision-making.

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Heydrich

Feb-28-13 7:34 AM

I'll stop "squabbling" when people stop wasting my money, but not until then.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 8:35 AM

"I just love when people ask advice from others, formally or otherwise, but disregard the advice because they did not get the answer they wanted."

I think in this case it was more of a matter of just paying for more surveys until they got the answer that they wanted.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 8:43 AM

There is no need to replace the light. The intersection works just fine.

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Heydrich

Feb-28-13 9:43 AM

"There is no need to replace the light. The intersection works just fine." No argument, but still, it should have been "light ready" for when Warren becomes the major metropolis that some envision. LOL

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 9:55 AM

As posted before, we need a signal light at the entrance to the BiLo grogery more than at that intersection.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 9:58 AM

I believe that paving and light replacement were to be included in Phase II of Streetscape. Your point is still valid, as the designers of Phase II would have to figure a way to add the light.

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Frugaltaxpayer

Feb-28-13 12:21 PM

Close the two block section and make it a pedestrian mall. Re-route traffic up to Fourth Ave. They can get financing for it and in five years change it back. Isn't that how all this craziness works?

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Brazil

Feb-28-13 12:21 PM

The intersection doesn't work at all. There should either be a light or there should be a two way stop sign. The Liberty Street traffic outside of 4-5:30pm on weekdays produces virtually no traffic and PA Ave traffic shouldn't be slowed for the occasional vehicle on Liberty. It makes as much sense as the light that used to be on East Ave and PA and got taken out by a traffic accident. Credit the responsible parties at the time who after a few months without the light said "Why the heck did we have one there in the first place".

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Brazil

Feb-28-13 12:24 PM

The Bi-Lo problem in my opinion emanates more from the questionable approval related to allowing them to erect gas pumps in the middle of an overly busy parking lot.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 1:05 PM

BiLo was bad even before the gas pumps were put in. Much worse, even then, than PA Ave. and Liberty.

I want another one put at the Eagles Club. Those people walk right out into traffic, park with more than half of their vehicle blocking the roadway, Stop in the middle of the road to drop off passengers, and stop in the middle of the road to scope out the closest open parking space.

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Lifelongresident

Feb-28-13 1:59 PM

MTOMTO, you are SO right about the mess at the Eagles. I've experienced each of those situations as well. It's like there are no other people using the roadway but them.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 2:16 PM

I also want a stop light at the end of my driveway. I have even had to wait for a deer to cross the road. The darn thing didn't even look to check traffic.

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Lifelongresident

Feb-28-13 2:38 PM

Well MTO if there isn't a Deer Xing sign at the end of your driveway I'd call the authorities and have the deer cited for crossing where there isn't a Deer Xing zone.

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25or624

Feb-28-13 3:03 PM

The rationale among some here seems to be: Drivers and pedestrians should just get along. If that's the case and neither group really needs a signal at that intersection, then I suggest the city do away with all the signals and replace them with four-way stops. As for lull times, the lights can be set to flash, like all of the ones on Market Street after 11 p.m.

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RStanton

Mar-01-13 5:56 PM

Anyone who says that the four way intersection at Liberty And PA works fine obviously doesn't use it between the hours of 8 to 9 A.M. and 4 to 6 P.M. There are too many people, peds and drivers alike, who don't know or don't care to know how a four way stop works. Bite the bullet and put in a stoplight. And while we're at it, let's get rid of some of the "no turn on red" signs. Do I really need to sit and wait for a green light when turning onto Market from Fifth at 10:45 P.M.?

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