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District outlines moving early learning students to WAEC

February 28, 2013

The arguments against closing South Street Early Learning Center and moving those students to Warren Area Elementary Center that were presented to the school board on Monday evening were varied....

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writer10

Feb-28-13 2:06 AM

Why do people cry so much over change. What could possibly be the big deal over closing down a school to save money. It's not like it will hurt the educational quality or anything, it is just a building.

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Mamaofateenandtot

Feb-28-13 8:13 AM

I wonder if it is true that special needs students will all be sent to Youngsville? This wasn't mentioned as was Ann Buerkle retiring at the end of this year not mentioned.

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true4you

Feb-28-13 1:35 PM

South street has bathrooms in each classroom,WAEC only has outside the room adult hallway bathrooms.WAEC has terrible parking and traffic congestion.Many parents drop off their kids at South ST. using Holy Redeemer parking lot,that option does not look doable at WAEC.My vote is to leave SouthSt.as it is.

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Lifelongresident

Feb-28-13 1:55 PM

true4you, will you pay my increase in taxes to keep them both open? If so I'll vote with you.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 2:19 PM

"Many parents drop off their kids at South ST. using Holy Redeemer parking lot."

Shhhhhhhh! Or they will want to move Holy Redeemer up there too.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 2:20 PM

South Street is way too large of a building to fit inside the WAEC, just saing.

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writer10

Feb-28-13 3:47 PM

South Street does not have bathrooms in the class rooms. Now everyone is starting to sound like the 4 schools group. Coming up with the silliest excuses to prevent a minor change.

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Grantland

Feb-28-13 4:07 PM

writer10: You haven't been in South Street for a while. There are three or four classrooms at South Street on the first floor that has a bathroom attached. It is certainly not every room but there are a few class rooms with attached bathrooms.

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MTOMTO

Feb-28-13 5:13 PM

That's it! I'm going to my boss and demanding a bathroom in my office first thing tomorrow morning. I'll let you all know how that works out.

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BrookP

Feb-28-13 6:28 PM

The deal was that you can keep your four high schools but we're closing other buildings, then. Let's get it done.

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saveourschools

Feb-28-13 7:35 PM

I chose the name saveourschools not because I believe they have majic bricks but because our districts continuously lacks educational planning. They are constantly playing political games, meeting personal agendas of administration and then trying to fit in education as an after thought. When are the children going to count in the equation. Are they and the teachers solely a nuissance or pawns in a game?

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saveourschools

Feb-28-13 7:42 PM

Brooke, don't blame the 4 high schools on the central attendance area.....not everyone agrees with it. It is because of this political struggle that our high school kids are lacking opportunities and waging wars with each other over dual enrollment, ap courses, and class rank. It is because of this political struggle and the complacency of the central attendance area that their children will be crammed into an over crowded building with complete disregard for the affects of such. We refuse to consolidate where it would be beneficial because a school with 800 kids is too large but lets put over 900 of our youngest in a building built for 750. That makes sense, especially when there are 4 elementary schools that have smaller class sizes, empty classrooms, and are also slated to close but atleast they will be moved to a school that is built to house their population.

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saveourschools

Feb-28-13 7:44 PM

The dirty secret that administration isn't telling? Consolidation is a reason to give the state to furlough more teachers. The district has to have a reason to furlough teachers. We have a 4 million dollar deficit, consolidation opens a door that should stay closed.

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writer10

Mar-01-13 2:15 AM

Lets double our property taxes so that all schools can stay open. Then when we all live in poverty due to taxes lets see how well our kids perform in school. I already fled an area where taxes pushed the middle class into poverty. The results were not good. Now that area finally gets it, and is now consolidating their schools after raising the taxes 100% over a five year period did not solve the budget issue.

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saveourschools

Mar-01-13 6:49 AM

writer 10, They school districts are not allowed to raise taxes for financial issues above the index in PA. In order to raise taxes above that, they must take the increase to voter referendum. Of course the increase will fail. The district will always take the increase to the index that is allowed because it has spent all of our savings that they had built up and cut so deep. They savings of this consolidation won't stop that. We have half empty schools accross the district and 4 elementary schools slated to close for new k-12 facilities. Consolidation should be taking place in those areas that are more feasible. I had no problem with the original plan which was that waec and sselc would consolidate in 3 or when the declined population would make this more appropriate. We are taking our only 2 scchools that are at or above capacity and shoving them together.

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saveourschools

Mar-01-13 6:52 AM

It is unfair that we are letting the youngest children of the central attendance area pay the price because we refuse to deal with our high school problem and administration is afraid of the outlying areas to touch there elementary schools before they are slated to close. They are crossing their fingers that they move to the k-12 without problems cause the slightest problem and there will be pitch forks at the board meetings.

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saveourschools

Mar-01-13 7:01 AM

At a recent committee meeting the administration told the board that they were looking at class size. The paper reported it but didn't report that administration is considering pushing that number to 18. We were suppose to be working on high school reform. The one meeting they had where they tried to sell block scheduling on the committee as if it were amway products did not go as well as administration hoped and they did not solutions or sugestions from the committee so the meetings stopped. High school reform will come in the form of cutting classes. Do not believe them when they say the students pick cause at the end of the day when they open up all classes and expect 18 to sign up the numbers will be spread thin even at the largest high school WAHS. The only classes ever brought back each year are ones for special ed, core required classes, or for iep's. Never because students want them. If your student wants a class beyond what is ran, the option wil be *drumroll*-----cyber.

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saveourschools

Mar-01-13 7:08 AM

I have an idea, lets say no to this unfair and poor idea of pushing our youngest kids into a building that will be over capacity. Let's make sure that door to furloughs stays closed. Let's fight them on the class size policy and ensure that it stays a lower number so that our students keep their courses and force administration to start getting rid of the waste that they keep spending on. Every time they saw a dollar in some savings this year, they spent it, and they spent it on themselves. They did not put it in the savings that has been depleted nor did they invest it into education. We have a budget that is over 60 million dollars. Our board has rubber stamped every purchase. Our board approved the budget last year without a single question. Responsible or lazy? My opinion? Lazy.

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MTOMTO

Mar-01-13 9:01 AM

Isn't there a whole grade of students from Beaty at WAEC this year because of construction? Would the over crowding problem go away when these students return to Beaty? I may be wrong, but declining attendance combined with an aging population would make me believe that the over crowding is a temporary situation.

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Mamaofateenandtot

Mar-01-13 11:29 AM

Please keep in mind that there will be another grade next year in addition to what is there this year with Beaty. This will be more kids then WAEC has ever attempted to house. I think this will come back to bite them. The only explanation I have heard is that this is "doable". This doesn't give a person alot to put faith in.

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true4you

Mar-01-13 11:45 AM

The parents of South ST.students need to attend the next board meeting and demand they be heard instead of the 3 administrators who think this is "doable".

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Mamaofateenandtot

Mar-01-13 12:34 PM

true4you, As a parent of a child at South Street whom will be entering first grade in the fall, I agree with you and I will be there! I am really sick of the feeling of these children being prodded around like cattle!

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25or624

Mar-01-13 12:37 PM

Allow me to add to the feeling of deja vu some may be experiencing here: "CHARTER!"

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25or624

Mar-01-13 12:57 PM

And I went down to the demonstration To get my fair share of abuse Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse" You can't always get what you want... But if you try sometimes well you just might find You get what you need

Thanks, Mick and Keith

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25or624

Mar-01-13 1:01 PM

Look, folks, I have always been in favor of a single, central HS; keep the elementaries (they're cheaper and little kids and little kids' parents like them), but the reality is that a majority of people in the northern and eastern areas of the county don't want that and they packed the school board to get what they want. Why is this a shock now?

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