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February 11, 2013

Dear editor: As usual, when a newspaper discusses an issue where the common sense and more traditional elements of our society come under fire from an increasingly powerful elite and their so-called......

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reasonrules

Feb-11-13 5:42 AM

While your concerns have a good side and bad side, there is another group of children who are not allowed to join the BSA. 100 years of spouting what great things the BSA does for children and yet if a child is non religious, cannot join the BSA. Have you ever seen a BSA recruitment ad stating who can join or not join the BSA. Oh sure you make your credo known, but still the BSA should be for all children not just what they think is good or bad. Children of KKK parents can join, but my children cannot, go figure, the BSA will take on children whose parents believe blacks & jews should be eliminated and sent back to their origin country, but my innocent and loving child cannot join the BSA. Hypocrite organizations like the BSA do not deserve your donations or your time.

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Frugaltaxpayer

Feb-11-13 6:25 AM

Really RR, how bitter you are against any religious organization. Don't you ever see the good that some may do. Not every organization has to be all inclusive. I personally have no opinion on what BSA does, but I do repect any organization to have its own criteria for joining.

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Jimmy1

Feb-11-13 9:40 AM

Simple fix! The gay Boy Scouts. Start their own group!

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Heydrich

Feb-11-13 11:32 AM

countingthedays, WRONG! Frugaltaxpayer said it best: "but I do repect any organization to have its own criteria for joining." So CTD, God created male and female, so girls should be allowed to join BSA? Boys can join Girl Scouts? Boys can sue to attend a private girls school and vice versa? Boys can join the girls soccer team? Women can walk into an all-men's club? I want YOU to start an organization then hear your response when someone else tells you who can join YOUR ORGANIZATION. And, frankly, homosexuals should NEVER be in youth leadership positions, NEVER EVER! Doesn't anyone learn from the past? Mark Cole is 100% correct.

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Heydrich

Feb-11-13 11:42 AM

garypayton, you know very well your comment is unnecessary and rude. And this from the guy who tells everyone to watch their p's and q's while typing comments to avoid abuse reports. Good job, gary.

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DominickBirdsey

Feb-11-13 12:03 PM

Homosexuals are NOT more likely to be promiscuous, and are certainly NOT more likely to sexually abuse a child. When will we overcome our ignorance and fear?

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Frugaltaxpayer

Feb-11-13 12:09 PM

As Groucho Marks said"I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member".

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25or624

Feb-11-13 1:37 PM

"The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so." Study, University of California, Davis.

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garypayton

Feb-11-13 2:34 PM

Sorry to have failed meeting my normally exceptionally high standards. Lesson learned.

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BrookP

Feb-11-13 2:37 PM

The writer's argument is ludicrous, of course. By his own logic, there can be no women coaches of boys teams and no men coaches of girls teams, and girls should only have women teachers and boys should only have men teacher. Oh, but wait, that means we can't have any coaches and teachers at all because straight or gay, they might be attracted to fully developed teenagers. Mr. Cole, heydrich, and others, why should we believe that straight leaders will not find physically mature teens of the opposite sex attractive? A gay person is no more likely to be a pedophile than a straight person. Also, number of partners has nothing to do with attraction to minors. Honestly, some people sound like they have no education at all.

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writer10

Feb-11-13 2:57 PM

So much hate and prejudice in this letter. If churches cut out their boy scout programs because of them allowing gays, well that about sums up why so many have left the Christian religion. It is a religion of finger pointing and yes hate. A gay person does not harm anyone and yet people feel they should be shunned. I guess that is what you get in a society where who ever is the most full of themselves get to be prom king or queen.

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teacher

Feb-11-13 4:34 PM

So Heydrich we should fire all the gay teachers in Warren County? If you don't think we have some you are sadly misinformed.

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garypayton

Feb-11-13 5:25 PM

But there is another, far more serious concern: back in the late 80s and 90s, a series of lawsuits over child molestation nearly destroyed the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. Fix that, and then we talk about the scouts.

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st0newa11

Feb-11-13 8:40 PM

"...Study, University of California, Davis." I can't believe that someone actually quoted statistis from a state university that is know for being so pro-gay. Their stats could in no way be biased, could they? Unbelievable.

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st0newa11

Feb-11-13 8:44 PM

My dad-gum "C" key is sticking. Anyway, the BSA is a PRIVATE CLUB. It is sponsored by members and through private donations, NOT tax dollars. NOBODY has the right to tell them who can join and who can't. If their oath/pledge contains an allegiance to God claus, so what. If you don't like it, DON'T JOIN. But don't tell them how to run THEIR club.

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BrookP

Feb-12-13 12:35 AM

Stonewall, then I guess you can't quote any studies that are from known pro-straight organizations. Fair is fair.

No one disagrees that they are a private organization and can choose their own rules. We're saying that it's a shame that they discriminate against perfectly nice men and boys. It's a blemish on an otherwise good program. They profess to build good citizens and civic-minded leaders, while hypocritically judging a segment of the population for something they can't change.

The Boy Scouts is a United Way organization. Perhaps some of us should rethink our donation dollars.

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cletis80

Feb-12-13 7:11 AM

do not let them in

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st0newa11

Feb-12-13 10:24 AM

Brook, please name a "pro-straight organization". I can't think of any that go out of their way to throw their stance in your face. Also, I deduce that you advoctae open clubs for all. No standards, no restritions. Come one, come all!

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Jimmy1

Feb-12-13 10:27 AM

Girls have their own club. GIRL SCOUTS. They aren't alowed in the Boy Scouts. They have their own scout club. So why not Gay Scouts? Are they ashamed?

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Jimmy1

Feb-12-13 10:32 AM

Oh and I'm pretty sure boys aren't alowed to join the Girls Scouts

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MTOMTO

Feb-12-13 10:35 AM

But, are lesbians allowed to be Girl Scout Leaders?

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BrookP

Feb-12-13 11:00 AM

Stonewall, pro-straight groups would include most churches and educational organizations associated with conservative religion, so called "pro-family" organizations, and, oh, the Boy Scouts at present.

As to your second question, not at all. I have no problem with private organizations setting their own membership rules. I believe I just stated that in a previous post. If your rules don't fit me, then I won't join. However, when your practices are hypocritical to your stated mission, expect to be called out on it. The Boy Scouts profess to build nice, civic-minded citizens and leaders. Nice, civic-minded citizens and leaders don't discriminate against their fellow man based on something that they can't change and that doesn't harm anyone.

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ProudCountyResident

Feb-12-13 12:04 PM

Brook: The boy Scout pledge and mission also mention God and they pledge to the Bible. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is not pleasing to God. They are supposed to fulfill all of the pledge, not just parts.

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BrookP

Feb-12-13 4:51 PM

Proud, the bible also clearly states that god would have you stone to death your disobedient child. Have you done that, yet? Sorry, you can't pick and choose from the bible stories. God also says you shouldn't judge. Hmmm. More over, scouts do not pledge the bible. The phrase is "duty to god," not the bible. Check the Boy Scout web page. Islam is a valid religion for "duty to god." Also, many religious people disagree about god being against homosexuality.

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garypayton

Feb-12-13 5:45 PM

My uncle John had a special friend They dressed alike his name was Ben I've never seen two friends like them They were very, very friendly men

-FOTC

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