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Gun control

February 3, 2013

Dear editor: A person goes to a gun show and, without a background check, buys multiple AR-15 assault rifles, multiple semi-automatic handguns, multiple large capacity magazines, and a large quantit......

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24betio1943

Feb-03-13 10:47 PM

You can't legally buy a handgun in PA without a background check.

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Frugaltaxpayer

Feb-04-13 6:13 AM

With all the rambling the writer does, it takes to the last paragraph for him to even mention the problem. Mental health issues are the problem, not the guns.

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25or624

Feb-04-13 8:54 AM

OK, frugal. How would you deal with the mental health issue? I'm not baiting; I'm just trying to find some answers.

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st0newa11

Feb-04-13 9:06 AM

"The NRA promotes the paranoia that the government wants all our guns and cites the "slippery slope"..." and the progressive left promotes the PARANOIA the all guns are bad and will be turned against you and your children. Pick your poison.

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st0newa11

Feb-04-13 9:10 AM

"Many civilized modern democracies around the world have gun laws much tougher than ours. True, but there's one thing they don't have. It's called the US Constitution, and this is the one thing that has kept (until recently) a corrupt government, that we "fear", in check.

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25or624

Feb-04-13 9:45 AM

One side charging the other with paranoia (actually a mental illness by diagnosis -- DSM-IV-TR) isn't going to get either side anywhere. I notice that Frugaltaxpayer hasn't offered any suggestion about dealing with mental illness. The question is open to anyone.

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Frugaltaxpayer

Feb-04-13 9:47 AM

25or6, I would stop releasing known crazed killers back on the street, like happened in New York with the nut that shot the fireman for one. Allow the doctors that are treating patients that are showing signs of problems to contact officials that may be able to curb the problem, possible detain and lock them up. If a person is "fine on their meds" what reassurance does the public have they are taking their meds? There are many things that can be done, but too many times we worry aboutthe rights of the criminally insane, rather than the law abiding citizens. But this is a completely different topic, that no one wants to deal with.

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Brazil

Feb-04-13 9:54 AM

I would bet that Frugal is one of those who has supported draconian cuts in goverment support of social and health programs which include the very mental health programs that he/she cites as the problem. Stonewall is right with the Black and White characterization of positions but misses a considerable part of the population, that would be the rational part. That part believes we need considerable change to gun access, more targeted mental health, a look at availability of extremely violent movies and video games to our youth and how parents can be better educated as to limiting their availability, etc. etc.

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Brazil

Feb-04-13 9:58 AM

Anyone else enjoy Chris Wallace completely destroy Wayne LaPierre of the NRA this weekend? It was like the Baltimore Ravens playing Toledo University in football, though I think Toledo would have fared better.

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colorado

Feb-04-13 11:37 AM

I didn't realize it was possible to pack so many lies, half truths and misleading statements into one letter under the claim of free speech. I guess some think the first amendment gives you the right to say anything you want to undermine the second. The reason increasing background checks won't solve anything is the FACT the feds don't even enforce the ones we have now. Ex. In 2009 71,000 people committed a felony by lying on their background check that the feds knew about and less than 70 were charged. The gun owners are not paranoid about fearing the end game being confiscation. The politicians have already tried it in many states and the author of the current federal gun ban bill is on record stating that is what they want to do. The gun manufacturers are only making the type firearms the public wants. It's called supply and demand and is how a free market system works.

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colorado

Feb-04-13 12:14 PM

I think the letter writer should have done his homework before making up such a story for print. The so called cop killer bullets are a myth made up to confuse the public. The original handgun AP bullets were designed AT LAW ENFORCEMENTS REQUEST to penetrate criminals vehicles etc, but became such a hot political item when the gun banners coined the term Cop Killer bullets that they were BANNED in 1986.

What the Current gun banners are doing is trying to make ANY bullet that can penetrate a Kevlar vest illegal which would eliminate nearly every rifle currently used for deer hunting due to the higher velocity of the shell. It's just another example of lying to the public to gain support for destroying the second Amendment.

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25or624

Feb-04-13 12:27 PM

Frugaltaxpayer: Thank you. But as a followup, how do you screen people who have not previously been adjudicated? Wouldn't that require universal testing? And, where do you draw the line? In another thread a poster, I believe a gun rights absolutist in fact, noted he has a friend who receives 100 percent disability for PTSD, owns a lot of guns and enjoys hunting. Should that person, for the purpose of gun ownership, be viewed the same as a convicted felon, even though he has never committed a crime? What about people with clinical depression, anxiety, or simply "odd behavior?" Are you prepared to take a mental health exam, like the MMPI-2 to prove you're not mentally ill? And, after all of this, how do you prevent these people from obtaining firearms without universal background checks? Assuming that is, that you don't require all depressed and anxious people to be locked up.

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25or624

Feb-04-13 12:29 PM

Those 71,000 people, Colorado, were denied guns. Then they simply went to gun shows and bought them. Not closing the gun show and private sale loophole, is like saying speeding laws only apply to vehicles that are painted blue.

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colorado

Feb-04-13 1:17 PM

The should have been in jail for committing a felony. That's the whole point the NRA is trying to make. They were caught in the act but the government did nothing about it. How are more laws going to help if we don't enforce the ones we have.

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Jsaitb03

Feb-04-13 1:38 PM

CHECK MATE - 25or624

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25or624

Feb-04-13 2:20 PM

Don't think of it as a new law (universal checks) think of it as closing the gaping loophole the NRA insisted on in the original law and continues to insist on.

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garypayton

Feb-04-13 6:11 PM

If you don't have anything to hide, why should you worry about proudly registering yourself and your weapons?

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archaeo1

Feb-04-13 7:37 PM

Great debate Its great to live in a country where we can disagree publically.Whats not so great is that the fact nothing can ever get done with our disfunctional government .That is not for 1 party or another its what it has become and the people are just as split on about every issue. Hopefully it doesnt take another clear September day to bring us back together. We're so divided now its sad.

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st0newa11

Feb-04-13 8:29 PM

Well said, Archaeo1. Well said.

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MTOMTO

Feb-05-13 8:49 AM

.”The philosophy of gun control: Teenagers are roaring through town at 90 MPH, where the speed limit is 25. Your solution is to lower the speed limit to 20.” ~ Sam Cohen

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MTOMTO

Feb-05-13 9:39 AM

Gun control is not about guns....it's about control.

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justobserving

Feb-05-13 1:45 PM

Lets say "multiple" is equal to three. Do you realize that person in your letter just spent around $7200.00 on guns! Wish I could afford to do that!

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st0newa11

Feb-05-13 9:28 PM

Petty cash, J.O. Might as well spend it before it gets INVOLUNTARILY redistributed.

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