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January 31, 2013

Dear editor: 2nd Amendment rights refer to the word “arms” which in 1700’s included flintlock rifles and cannon....

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Jan-31-13 5:56 AM

A tommy gun was an automatic weapon, these are semi automatic weapons that they are trying to ban now. It is always the same argument. If only these were illegal, then everyone would be safe. The proof is in the pudding. Automatic guns are banned, and and they say we are still not safe. Now the anti gun movement wants more. They will not stop until every weapon is banned.

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Jan-31-13 6:12 AM

If we need to have building permits, we should have to have gun permits.

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Jan-31-13 6:49 AM

Just look at Chicago, a city where the guns are already illegal, but at the same time more people are being killed there than any other US city. Also the Sandy Hook shooting was done with hand guns, the AR-15 was left in the car. So, all you anti-gun people where is your evidence that making the guns illegal is going to prevent anything. More people are killed by blunt objects, knives, and other weapons so why are we so concentrated on guns and not the real issue at hand.

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Jan-31-13 7:50 AM

We beg to differ. Lanza would not have gotten into the school without using the "assualt-style" weapon, not the handguns. CT State Police website. Law-abiding citizens register guns, no matter how acquired. We do.

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Jan-31-13 8:44 AM

There are reasonable limits to rights. We live with them every day. You have a right to free speech, but not yelling fire in a crowded theater. You have a right to worship the way you choose, but not hand poisonous snakes to people to see if they survive or practice polygamy. You have a right to peacefully assemble, but not block a sidewalk or traffic. You have a right to a free press, but there are libel laws. And yet, the absolutists of gun rights believe there are should be no limits. We register motor vehicles, but not guns. We require a test to operate a car, but not to own a gun. Are they not both potentially deadly? Diane Feinstein may fulminate, but reasonable controls can exist without harming the rights of the innocent, like universal background checks, a limit to magazine capacity, even registration. Of course, these are all things the NRA opposes.

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Jan-31-13 8:47 AM

While semi-auto firearms with large capacity mags are capable of causing casualties the fact is they are seldom used in any crime. Even counting the very few times they have been used by the mentally ill The simple fact is of approx. 13,000 homicides by all means in the US each year less than 45 come as a result of these type weapons. 1. Every mass killing was committed by a mentally person. 2. Approx 70,000 people illegally tried to purchase firearms under the existing background checks. Less than 70 were prosecuted because the feds didn't have the time. 3. The liberals answer to violence is increase the number of background checks and ban the weapons LEAST LIKELY to be used in violence.

Why is it I don't feel any safer.

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Jan-31-13 8:50 AM

25or624 We have OVER 20,000 gun laws on the books RIGHT NOW. The NRA wants you to ENFORCE THEM before making any new ones.

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Jan-31-13 9:13 AM

Automatic weapons are not illegal. It requires a ffl class 3 license, which requires a financial investment and being willing to give up your 4th amendment rights. The post that only and assault rifle could shoot into a school is false. Many handguns and hunting rifles have ammunition that is larger and more powerful than assault ammo. For example a .357 will blow a bigger hole in anything than a .223 will. By the way, some news sources are reporting that Lanza used 4 handguns. We wont know for sure until the official report comes out in June. For those who think not as much damage can be done with small magazines, go to you tube and look at quick load videos. You can do the same damage with multiple magazines as you can with high capacity.

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Jan-31-13 9:15 AM

The statistics for violence compiled by the FBI are very telling. Sooner after the CT shooting, the FBI statistics for murders committed by a hammer or club were 200 more than those committed by rifle, this includes what many call an assault rifle. Twice as many murders were committed with hands or fists.

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Jan-31-13 9:20 AM

The problem with comparing registering a building permit or car with guns is that a car/building is not mandatory. It is only mandatory if you want to do certain things such as remodel or drive the car. For example, my car can sit for years in my driveway without being registered. As far as licensing goes, no one has to have a license to own a car, only to drive it legally, and we do not have to test for it on a regular basis. More people are killed in cars but yet we do not look at laws that would require more testing or more regulation of ownership, instead we look to deter carelessness and negligence through stricter penalties. Bans do not stop violence. We have 20,000 gun laws in the US. We need to be looking at what works and what doesn't. Get rid of what doesn't and enforce what could be working while adding stricter penalties to what does. That is the kind of thing that will have a true impact on crime, every thing is just feel good bullcrap and politics.

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Jan-31-13 9:32 AM

Early reports that came to us at American Live Wire were stating that Adam Lanza had shot the victims at the Sandy Hook Elementary school at close range with multiple hand guns, and possibly a shotgun. It wasn’t reported until later that the police had discovered an AR-15 assault rifle in the trunk of the car. This AR-15 was not used in the shooting, and police did not initially even know about its presence until conducting that further search. Reportedly he had stolen the rifle from his mother after he killed her at the house. His intentions with the rifle were unclear, although it is certain that he planned to use it at some point.

Check it out???

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Jan-31-13 10:24 AM

Alan, good to hear a voice of reason. Thanks for your service. Backwoods, reports were the shotgun and I believe 1 pistol were in the car. Since a shotgun was not used he must have had quite a trigger finger to shoot the little 6 yr.olds and teachers up to 11 times each with none shot less than 3times.{ Fox,andCNN}. Ive even heard locally that it was a conspiracy by the government. 3 Vietnam vets and 1 Iraqi freedom vet who is also a sherriff deputy {Chautaqua Co.} have said in no way should every one have access to assult rifles.1 other vet. did suggest they should be legal and should be used on I'll just say people of another race. Nice! He even tried to hit me with his cane.

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Jan-31-13 10:38 AM

From what I read here, the big beef is with weapon type. No one has commented on universal background checks or even registration. And yet, Saint Wayne testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee that the NRA is opposed to universal background checks. Have you checked out the "handguns" included in the list of 150 proposed banned weapons. They are AK-47 clones without the butt stocks, not your Colt 1911 or S&W 914. The shotguns are room brooms, street sweepers, not your prized Browning Superposed or Remington 1100. And, not my Browning Hi-Power. Yes, yes, 13-round mag, but it can easily be converted to much less and not bother me a bit.

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Jan-31-13 11:00 AM

I have a gun permit--it's called the 2nd Amendment! Now answer me this, why do we have to have a building permit? It's MY house. Why should I have to cow-tow to ANY gov't entity and beg for permission to modify it as I see fit. We used to be a free nation. Not any more.

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Jan-31-13 11:05 AM

Colorado: "We have 20,000 gun laws in the US." Wow, did you count those yourself, or did you get some help from the NRA? I have to conclude that includes, states, municipalities, D.C. and the federal government. But, as a resident of Pa., I am not subject to Nebraska's laws if I am not in Nebraska. I'll have to admit, though, that's an impressive even number.

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Jan-31-13 11:24 AM

Stonewall, thank you. I have seen the light. Speed limits are unconstitutional. It's my car, I should be able to drive it as fast as I want as long as I don't hurt someone else. Stop lights — an encroachment on my freedom of movement. Drug laws — what I inject into my body is my business. I should even be able to sell it to other people who want to get high, prohibition would be an infringement of my ability to make a living. And, if I want to stockpile weapons to overthrow the government when I disagree with it, so be it. I believe I can hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Anyone know where I can get my hands on a Claymore to plant in my garden?

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Jan-31-13 11:51 AM

25, do you believe in any restraints on the powers of the Federal government?

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Jan-31-13 11:54 AM

25or624, s l o w d o w n, your arguments are not thought out or well-prepared. St0newa11's building permit argument was based upon HIS property, structure and land. Your speeding and traffic response occurs on state or local highways, not private land. But the bottom line is, none of you have successfully argued how to keep guns out of the hands of people who obtained them through illegal means to begin with! You are so concerned with arguing with responsible people that you have lost focus on the issue. Have any of you heard about junkies who cannot find drugs? What makes you think guns will ever become unobtainable for those who wish to do ill?

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Jan-31-13 12:02 PM

25, There are almost 300 federal laws, not counting other ATF regulations and rulings. While you are not affected by all state laws, you are affected by the many state laws and local laws of which you live. You are also affected by other state and local laws if you move or travel. The point being is that we have laws, some enforced and some not. You mentioned driving issues and drugs. Neither are constitutional rights BUT look how good drug laws work. We keep banning them but people keep getting their hands on them.

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Jan-31-13 12:08 PM

Heydrich, I was obviously being facetious. Although the my body, my business thing still applies. I have suggested reasonable changes. That doesn't work. I am a gun owner, and I wouldn't mind in the least registering every firearm I own and submitting to a background check. I believe it would be responsible behavior for an innocent person. I know, I know, criminals won't do it, but it gives law enforcement good tools to track weapons that are used in crimes. The NRA might say it is against straw sales, but it is against rules that would significantly limit straw sales and purchases by felons -- universal background checks and lost-stolen laws. Virtually every gun used in a crime in this country was originally purchased "legally" because our laws on background checks and straw purchases are so "shot full of holes."

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Jan-31-13 12:22 PM

Keymaker, of course, the same restraints the founders put their trust in -- a bicameral Congress, a Supreme Court, an Executive Branch and the brilliant system of checks and balances that have worked for more than 200 years.

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Jan-31-13 12:28 PM

Unlike many posters on this site, I do not have a white-knuckled fear of my government, so much fear that I stash weapons because I think the day will come when I will turn them on my own countrymen, or that the world's most technically advanced and strongest armed forces cannot protect me from invasion by a foreign country.

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Jan-31-13 12:31 PM

And what purpose do the states have in your view?

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Jan-31-13 12:43 PM

25or624----The only thing wrong with our current system of background checks is that law enforcement doesn't enforce them. There were over 70,000 felons, mentally ill, etc that were caught illegally trying to purchase firearms that should have been prosecuted . Less than 70 were even charged. Why--we are told the feds are too busy. And you claim adding even more background checks will solve the problem. Get real.

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Jan-31-13 12:49 PM

The same purpose they have always had, Keymaker. If this is turning into a resurrection of the 200-year-old debate on Federalism I'll need to dig out my copy of the Federalist Papers, because I'll have to admit I haven't memorized them to recite them in situations like this.

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