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January 31, 2013

Dear editor: 2nd Amendment rights refer to the word “arms” which in 1700’s included flintlock rifles and cannon....

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Frugaltaxpayer

Jan-31-13 5:56 AM

A tommy gun was an automatic weapon, these are semi automatic weapons that they are trying to ban now. It is always the same argument. If only these were illegal, then everyone would be safe. The proof is in the pudding. Automatic guns are banned, and and they say we are still not safe. Now the anti gun movement wants more. They will not stop until every weapon is banned.

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warrenpausa

Jan-31-13 6:12 AM

If we need to have building permits, we should have to have gun permits.

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writer10

Jan-31-13 6:49 AM

Just look at Chicago, a city where the guns are already illegal, but at the same time more people are being killed there than any other US city. Also the Sandy Hook shooting was done with hand guns, the AR-15 was left in the car. So, all you anti-gun people where is your evidence that making the guns illegal is going to prevent anything. More people are killed by blunt objects, knives, and other weapons so why are we so concentrated on guns and not the real issue at hand.

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vetsdottir

Jan-31-13 7:50 AM

We beg to differ. Lanza would not have gotten into the school without using the "assualt-style" weapon, not the handguns. CT State Police website. Law-abiding citizens register guns, no matter how acquired. We do.

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colorado

Jan-31-13 8:47 AM

While semi-auto firearms with large capacity mags are capable of causing casualties the fact is they are seldom used in any crime. Even counting the very few times they have been used by the mentally ill The simple fact is of approx. 13,000 homicides by all means in the US each year less than 45 come as a result of these type weapons. 1. Every mass killing was committed by a mentally person. 2. Approx 70,000 people illegally tried to purchase firearms under the existing background checks. Less than 70 were prosecuted because the feds didn't have the time. 3. The liberals answer to violence is increase the number of background checks and ban the weapons LEAST LIKELY to be used in violence.

Why is it I don't feel any safer.

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colorado

Jan-31-13 8:50 AM

25or624 We have OVER 20,000 gun laws on the books RIGHT NOW. The NRA wants you to ENFORCE THEM before making any new ones.

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limited

Jan-31-13 9:13 AM

Automatic weapons are not illegal. It requires a ffl class 3 license, which requires a financial investment and being willing to give up your 4th amendment rights. The post that only and assault rifle could shoot into a school is false. Many handguns and hunting rifles have ammunition that is larger and more powerful than assault ammo. For example a .357 will blow a bigger hole in anything than a .223 will. By the way, some news sources are reporting that Lanza used 4 handguns. We wont know for sure until the official report comes out in June. For those who think not as much damage can be done with small magazines, go to you tube and look at quick load videos. You can do the same damage with multiple magazines as you can with high capacity.

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limited

Jan-31-13 9:15 AM

The statistics for violence compiled by the FBI are very telling. Sooner after the CT shooting, the FBI statistics for murders committed by a hammer or club were 200 more than those committed by rifle, this includes what many call an assault rifle. Twice as many murders were committed with hands or fists.

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limited

Jan-31-13 9:20 AM

The problem with comparing registering a building permit or car with guns is that a car/building is not mandatory. It is only mandatory if you want to do certain things such as remodel or drive the car. For example, my car can sit for years in my driveway without being registered. As far as licensing goes, no one has to have a license to own a car, only to drive it legally, and we do not have to test for it on a regular basis. More people are killed in cars but yet we do not look at laws that would require more testing or more regulation of ownership, instead we look to deter carelessness and negligence through stricter penalties. Bans do not stop violence. We have 20,000 gun laws in the US. We need to be looking at what works and what doesn't. Get rid of what doesn't and enforce what could be working while adding stricter penalties to what does. That is the kind of thing that will have a true impact on crime, every thing is just feel good bullcrap and politics.

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Backwoods

Jan-31-13 9:32 AM

Early reports that came to us at American Live Wire were stating that Adam Lanza had shot the victims at the Sandy Hook Elementary school at close range with multiple hand guns, and possibly a shotgun. It wasn’t reported until later that the police had discovered an AR-15 assault rifle in the trunk of the car. This AR-15 was not used in the shooting, and police did not initially even know about its presence until conducting that further search. Reportedly he had stolen the rifle from his mother after he killed her at the house. His intentions with the rifle were unclear, although it is certain that he planned to use it at some point.

Check it out???

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archaeo1

Jan-31-13 10:24 AM

Alan, good to hear a voice of reason. Thanks for your service. Backwoods, reports were the shotgun and I believe 1 pistol were in the car. Since a shotgun was not used he must have had quite a trigger finger to shoot the little 6 yr.olds and teachers up to 11 times each with none shot less than 3times.{ Fox,andCNN}. Ive even heard locally that it was a conspiracy by the government. 3 Vietnam vets and 1 Iraqi freedom vet who is also a sherriff deputy {Chautaqua Co.} have said in no way should every one have access to assult rifles.1 other vet. did suggest they should be legal and should be used on I'll just say people of another race. Nice! He even tried to hit me with his cane.

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st0newa11

Jan-31-13 11:00 AM

I have a gun permit--it's called the 2nd Amendment! Now answer me this, why do we have to have a building permit? It's MY house. Why should I have to cow-tow to ANY gov't entity and beg for permission to modify it as I see fit. We used to be a free nation. Not any more.

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TheKeymaker

Jan-31-13 11:51 AM

25, do you believe in any restraints on the powers of the Federal government?

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Heydrich

Jan-31-13 11:54 AM

25or624, s l o w d o w n, your arguments are not thought out or well-prepared. St0newa11's building permit argument was based upon HIS property, structure and land. Your speeding and traffic response occurs on state or local highways, not private land. But the bottom line is, none of you have successfully argued how to keep guns out of the hands of people who obtained them through illegal means to begin with! You are so concerned with arguing with responsible people that you have lost focus on the issue. Have any of you heard about junkies who cannot find drugs? What makes you think guns will ever become unobtainable for those who wish to do ill?

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limited

Jan-31-13 12:02 PM

25, There are almost 300 federal laws, not counting other ATF regulations and rulings. While you are not affected by all state laws, you are affected by the many state laws and local laws of which you live. You are also affected by other state and local laws if you move or travel. The point being is that we have laws, some enforced and some not. You mentioned driving issues and drugs. Neither are constitutional rights BUT look how good drug laws work. We keep banning them but people keep getting their hands on them.

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TheKeymaker

Jan-31-13 12:31 PM

And what purpose do the states have in your view?

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colorado

Jan-31-13 12:43 PM

25or624----The only thing wrong with our current system of background checks is that law enforcement doesn't enforce them. There were over 70,000 felons, mentally ill, etc that were caught illegally trying to purchase firearms that should have been prosecuted . Less than 70 were even charged. Why--we are told the feds are too busy. And you claim adding even more background checks will solve the problem. Get real.

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colorado

Jan-31-13 1:31 PM

Do what it takes to enforce the existing laws or get rid of them. We don't need more laws until we see if enforcing the existing ones will solve the problem. REMEMBER, at the time these EXISTING laws were being debated we were ASSURED they were going to keep us safe.

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TheKeymaker

Jan-31-13 1:47 PM

Nope, just curious of your POV. I've got the Constitution, and both Federalist and Anti on my phone for that purpose, but I've concluded that on a forum such as this, the odds of changing someone's mind here, is well....not likely to happen. That's fine, sometimes just interesting to see/hear other worldviews...

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colorado

Jan-31-13 2:07 PM

The problem is the definition of reasonable and I have seen the liberal definition of reasonable and am not impressed. Every nation that has a total gun ban started with gun registration. Every one of the 300 federal and 20,000 total current gun laws were supposed to keep us safe. Enforce them before adding more. You may not need more. How many of the 70,000 that broke the current law and were not prosecuted went on to commit a crime. AGAIN-FOR THE LAST TIME---The guns Obama wants to ban accounted for LESS THAN 45 of the 13,000 homicides each year since 2004. This is pure politics, not safety.

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limited

Jan-31-13 2:33 PM

25, you seem to think straw purchases are legal or atleast there are loopholes. Straw purchase are illegal and in PA if convicted, it is an automatic 5 year sentence. Govenor Corbett signed this into law and it is called the Brad Fox law after a police officer who was shot and killed. Its a law that makes sense rather than a ban which only affects law abiding gun owners.

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Brazil

Jan-31-13 4:01 PM

Frugal Taxpayer - No, the argument isn't that everyone would be safe, it is that is one part of making everyone a bit safer. Try to make your point without mis-characterizing the vast majority of those looking for an across the board approach that utilizes multiple solutions. Writer 10 - A well worn out argument. Only a national policy will work. Of course Chicago's policy has holes in it (pardon the pun)when there is ready access ten miles away. Colorado - As Joe Scarborough said today, The Republicans are on the losing side of this issue. The only question is will it be too late by the time they realize it. It was too late for them to realize it on gay marriage and immigration so it resulted in a weak Democratic candidate winning re-election by a substantial majority. Personally I'm hoping they stick to the Gun Manufacturer's position like you espouse. Hillary/Biden/Cuomo for 8 more years in 2016 and you were worried about the Black Helicopters...LOL

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Brazil

Jan-31-13 4:06 PM

Colorado --- We were never assured those laws would keep us safe. They were passed because that was all that was able to be done politically whether it be on a local, state or national level. Your comment on that is much like your comment on 70,000 laws not being enforced. A blanket statement that means nothing and has no credibility. Have you personally evaluated everyone of those laws and the enforcement that has occured. If you just decided to read from this month's issue of the NRA newsletter you are doing a fabulous job.

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Heydrich

Jan-31-13 4:24 PM

"How is my suggestion about universal background checks, lost and stolen laws, or even registration a ban?" It's not a ban, 25or624. But it's also NOT a solution. Who cares about tracing a stolen weapon AFTER it is used in a killing? I have been asking why no one wants to truly deal with the real problem, but everyone keeps skirting the issue. I began to write my ideas on offering REAL solutions last week, and do you know what happened? Every single one of my posts disappeared because certain thin-skinned people cannot handle REAL solutions. They are too busy playing politics and silencing the opposition.

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colorado

Jan-31-13 4:58 PM

Actually Brazil, I read the FBI data, which I suggested you do a week ago but apparently you would rather make up your own. For Example: in 2009 "THE FBI" reported 71,000 people lied on their background check which is a FELONY. Of that 71,000 the Justice Dept prosecuted 77. The NRA gets their information from Law Enforcement, not liberal anti-gun zealots. I get most of my information from the FBI data. I tend to believe it is more accurate than CNN. And when the Politicians (as just happened in NY) pass these laws they most certainly do claim they will protect us from everything evil. Did you watch the NY governors newscast when he signed theirs.

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