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January 29, 2013

Dear editor: Just trying to understand your logic. The proposed Pennsylvania bill, “to stop federal gun control laws”, in the Times Observer on January 25, 2013....

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24betio1943

Jan-30-13 5:25 PM

You have to be a registered manufacturer of class III weapons(machine guns, sawed off shotguns and other) to legally make one. As PA has no laws against said items you must follow Federal Law by getting finger printed(for FBI background check), law enforcement sign off, and pay for a tax stamp. In PA you can own, as a private citizen machine guns, sawed-off shotguns, and silencers if, and ONLY if, you follow the procedure set out by the ATF. The price of the tax stamp varied with the type of weapon. It's been a while but I seem to remember the automatic weapon's stamp was around $400 but the one for the shotgun was only $20 or so. All class III weapons have a title like a car. If there is no title it is illegal. Oh and there are three different types of titles too. Each one has different regulations and such. I worked in the industry for a few years, and it's been bugging me that they say all machine guns are illegal. They are not necessarily all illegal.

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archaeo1

Jan-30-13 5:13 PM

24 1943,This is a real question though some on this bd. I think just hit agree or disagree because they can. How does one register a sawed off shotgun? I didnt know they could be legal?Is it done thru the sherriff like our pistol permit?Not looking to chop off one of my shot guns but just curious.

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24betio1943

Jan-30-13 3:52 PM

I was just pointing out how God could be put into a discussion of the 2nd Amendment. I didn't really opine one way or the other.

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archaeo1

Jan-30-13 1:10 PM

As jesus supports the NRA I think he also likes touchdowns. From what I see.

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archaeo1

Jan-30-13 1:05 PM

I see the powers that be Took off another post with Big Davids name And the good Dr.F

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25or624

Jan-30-13 10:46 AM

"be careful an unregistered sawed-off shotgun, with a barrel less than 16 1/2 inches, is a federal offense." AN INFRINGEMENT ON MTO's 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!! How can this be? Everyone knows a sawed off sweeper is a great fowling arm when geese happen to fly right into your blind.

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Brazil

Jan-30-13 8:54 AM

Betio confirms what I've suspected all along...Jesus supports the NRA interpretation of the second amendment.

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archaeo1

Jan-30-13 8:50 AM

One thing I do agree with some of you on is Diane Feinstein is an extreemist. She has gone to far but because she is so extreem it will be detramental to her cause. If you ask for alot you might get a little Thats how most negotiations work.To ask her for an opinion is almost like thinking Sarah Palin has credability.ALMOST!

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st0newa11

Jan-29-13 9:39 PM

Do you mean to tell me that there are more to "God-given" rights than just food stamps, WIC, welfare, ObamaCare, LIHEAP, SSI and same-s** marriage? I am shocked, I tell ya. Shocked.

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24betio1943

Jan-29-13 8:40 PM

Addressing the issue of God the writer mentioned. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." These Natural Rights were derived and put into words by Enlightenment thinkers who believed they have always existed, that we are born with them by the mere fact that we are humans. It is the right to defend these Natural Rights (thus making it a Natural Right itself) that gave motivation to the Founding Fathers to add the 2nd Amendment to the list of 12 proposed amendments to the Constitution, of which 10 were ratified (the 11th one was ratified almost 200 years later but that is another discussion).

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24betio1943

Jan-29-13 8:20 PM

MTOMTO, be careful an unregistered sawed-off shotgun, with a barrel less than 16 1/2 inches, is a federal offense.

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garypayton

Jan-29-13 6:54 PM

It's an opinion page. You're a big boy. You can take it.

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MTOMTO

Jan-29-13 4:50 PM

There you go again, right to the name calling.

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garypayton

Jan-29-13 4:23 PM

Disgusting how the gun-crazies are all experts at killing people. Can't wait to put a bad guy down, POW!

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MTOMTO

Jan-29-13 3:44 PM

"At 15 feet, it takes some people 15 or 20 rounds to put one in the money."

Get a semi auto shotgun, or just saw off the barrel and make it into a scatgun?

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MTOMTO

Jan-29-13 3:32 PM

"The scare tactics aren't working."

They seem to have a large group of citizens pretty concerned.

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25or624

Jan-29-13 3:20 PM

I will have to admit, Colorado makes a good point. At 15 feet, it takes some people 15 or 20 rounds to put one in the money. Well, not me, but apparently some people.

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colorado

Jan-29-13 2:59 PM

We are one vote on the Supreme Court or a handful of votes in Congress from having a gun ban happen. It happened in Australia, it happened in Great Britain and many other countries. If not for the 4 Million NRA members along with a couple other gun rights groups who have been able to muster enough votes to defeat some congressmen in the past we would already have it here. This will be the toughest test yet. Nice try but you and Obama are not fooling anyone. We know who the enemies of the second amendment are.

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garypayton

Jan-29-13 2:45 PM

I remember a friend's Dad telling me when I was a kid that Jimmy Carter was going to take away all our guns. That was more than 30 years ago Didn't pass the smell test then, doesn't now. The scare tactics aren't working.

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25or624

Jan-29-13 2:22 PM

OK. My mistake. Poor choice of words. Heck, I can be radical too. Free speech promotes it. During the assault weapons ban. No handguns were banned. Shouldn't the logical progression have taken place sometime within 10 years?

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MTOMTO

Jan-29-13 2:13 PM

You brought up the talking about it thing.

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25or624

Jan-29-13 1:52 PM

Talk is cheap. There are radical statements made on both sides of the issue. Radical statements hardly ever translate into law. That's why there are 438 Members of the House and 100 members of the Senate.

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MTOMTO

Jan-29-13 1:29 PM

And one, just for chuckles.

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country." - Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, DC

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MTOMTO

Jan-29-13 1:26 PM

"Nobody took away handguns in that time and no one is talking about it now."

"If I could have banned them all-'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns'-I would have!" - Diane Feinstein

"We are going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" - Representative Chuck Shumer

"I believe all handguns should be abolished." - Sen. John Chafee

"Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use." - Rep. Bobby Rush

Nope, nobody.

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colorado

Jan-29-13 1:20 PM

25or624--- rather than quoting Joe Biden you might want to try your shotgun at close range before making those statements. The typical room is 15' or less and at that range you have to be just as accurate in your aim as you do with your semi-auto or your going to be standing there with an empty gun while jimmy1 is still shooting. Past that distance for awhile you may be better off but I doubt the rooms in your house are 30-40' long.

Besides, why would you ban a whole class of firearms in the name of gun safety when of approx. 13,000 homicides each year less than 45 are committed with semi-auto rifles. That number is straight from the mouth of the Senator who introduced the weapons ban. Who is kidding who?

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