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January 22, 2013

Dear editor: I am writing this in response to Dale E. Buonocore’s letter to the editor about gun safety....

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writer10

Jan-22-13 2:53 AM

Just because a law is 20 years old doesn't mean anything would have been prevented today. Just look at illegal drug laws. Laws that are well beyond 20 years. This country has become too much about laws as a means of control. Last I checked this country wasn't supposed to be about control and punishing the innocent. I didn't spend 6 years in the army protecting the people of the US, Korea, Bosnia, and Afghanistan from various tight control powers, only to see it happen here. When a government sets out to control by making laws that only affect the innocent, than there is something seriously wrong.

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colorado

Jan-22-13 7:50 AM

If guns kill people then all of mine must be defective.

If mental illness was addressed 20 years ago instead of closing the mental health hospitals and pretending the problem didn't exist we wouldn't be having this discussion today.

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st0newa11

Jan-22-13 8:38 AM

I have the solution. Listen up. We simply have to double, triple or quadruple the number of abortions performed in this country! The more unborn we kill, the better the odds of pre-empting the birth of a future mass murderer. I'd better get 100%disagrees with this obvious/blatant absurdity. My point: if you don't respect ALL life (BEFORE and after birth), then don't be surprised when a "mentally ill" person comes along and ends it. It's engrained in our culture.

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Brazil

Jan-22-13 9:02 AM

Only 900 additional dead from guns since Sandy Hook. No need for reasonable gun control measures to be looked at as a possibility of being part of the solution. Let's continue to blame everything else.

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Brazil

Jan-22-13 9:09 AM

I wonder when the good old days were for the letter writer? In 1979 there were roughly 31,000 gun deaths. Roughly the same as today. Gee there were many more people institutionalized then.There were movies with considerable violence then. More people attended church then. I don't advocate massive gun control but the gun wing's refusal to give an inch will in the end make them lose a yard and they'll have only themselves to blame. Public opinion towards things like assault weapons, background checks that are half of what one has to go through to get a dog is starting to change. What do you think the momentum in public opinon will be six months from now after the next mass murder occurs

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Frugaltaxpayer

Jan-22-13 9:15 AM

Brazil, you sound like the liberal media, explains your source, during the Iraq war when Bush was in charge. Once Oblama took over mum is the word. How many were killed by hammers compared to assult weapons in that same period of time?

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colorado

Jan-22-13 11:45 AM

1.Of the gun deaths in the US that are quoted a bit over 2/3 are suicides in any given year. most of these would have still happened even if guns were not available. Countries with strict gun control have comparable suicide rates, some more,some less. 2. from 75%-96% of males killed in gun homicides had a prior criminal history depending on the area surveyed.In Philadelphia it was 93% in 1996. 3. A survey of police records in Virginia showed the risk of gunshot injury was 22 times greater for males involved in crime. 4. You discount suicides, most of which would have happened anyway and criminals getting shot who wouldn't have turned them in, where is the gun problem.

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 12:50 PM

Brazil,

In your expertise of these matters, please differentiate the difference between an assault weapon and a non-assault weapon. Please explain the mechanical differences for us....

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 12:58 PM

I find it interesting that you are interested in the "public momentum" of something like the gun control debate. Public momentum doesn't mean jack in the debate. We don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic, with a Constitution. Like I've said before on these forums, if you want to change the Constitution of the United States, then you need to get an Article V amendment convention together to amend the 2nd , and go through the process to amend it. I'm willing to bet that the odds of that happening are well, very minute.

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justobserving

Jan-22-13 1:04 PM

I really don't give a rats rear end what goes on in other countrys, only this one. If those other countrys are so great than move there!

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Brazil

Jan-22-13 1:11 PM

Colorado - Murder rates and murder rates by guns are significantly higher in the USA then any other Western Country. Frugal - Maybe the media was a bit mum because Obama was moving and did move to get us out of war that was fought strictly out of son's eagerness to get back at Saddam Hussein for trying to assasinate his daddy. Keymaker if you think public momentum and opinion don't mean anything then I'd suggest North Korea. Look at the public opinion movement with regard to gay marriage and the resultant moves with regard to public acceptance and legal changes. TC Angel - Probably the last thing I would ever concern myself with in life would be ratings in this forum. Rural Pennsylvania politically is not much different the Mississippi. I wouldn't want to be associated with the majority on most issues around here.

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MTOMTO

Jan-22-13 1:13 PM

"Like I've said before on these forums, if you want to change the Constitution of the United States, then you need to get an Article V amendment convention together to amend the 2nd , and go through the process to amend it."

But, it's just so much faster and easier to simply issue an executive order?

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 1:29 PM

"Keymaker if you think public momentum and opinion don't mean anything then I'd suggest North Korea. Look at the public opinion movement with regard to gay marriage and the resultant moves with regard to public acceptance and legal changes." You are comparing apples to oranges. Read the Constitution. Not a single reference to marriage in the Constitution. I am a Libertarian/Constitutionalist/Voluntaryist. I don't support DOMA. I don't support the Patriot Act. I don't support NDAA. I also don't watch FOX, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, etc... I also believe 10th Amendment trumps the Feds. So go ahead and try to ban guns at the Federal level, let the states decide. I support Colorado and Oregon on lifting the ban on pot. I don't smoke it, but hey whatever floats your boat....

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MTOMTO

Jan-22-13 1:37 PM

Pot boat?

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 1:40 PM

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Two key words in the 2nd Amendment. State and Infringed. From my POV, and others, the word State leads back to the 10 Amendment argument. The Feds have no right to regulate firearms, and any attempt to do so is nullified by each state and their own legislature and/or State Constitution. Infringed: If you limit the types of guns I can buy, or the types or ammo I can buy, or the types of magazines I can buy, that is infringement (unless my dictionary is wrong). Also, notice the comma after Well Regulated militia, and that after stating the necessity of it, another comma, then!; "The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed".

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colorado

Jan-22-13 1:49 PM

Brazil- murder rates in the US are directly connected to the cross border drug cartels and gangs in the cities. However gun murders in the US have declined over the last three decades and are at their LOWEST LEVEL since 1981 while gun ownership is at it's HIGHEST LEVEL.

Mexico has had a virtual ban on private ownership of guns for 20 years because the government said they could protect the citizen. How is that working out?

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 1:49 PM

I've heard these arguments plenty of times before. "Murder rates.." "Why do you need an AR15...." "Why do you need that kind of gun"....... Because I CHOOSE to. Choice. I Love Choice. There is nothing more powerful than Choice. I heard a good one recently...A person who actively promotes abortion got involved in a heated gun control debate. And a pro 2nd Amendment person fired back about the loss of life from abortions. The pro-abortion person (female) said, "If you don't like abortions, don't have one". The pro 2nd GUY (LOL) said back to her, "if you don't like guns, don't have one" (BTW, not seeking a discussion on abortion here). Nevertheless, my original point stands, if you guys who want gun control want to make changes, get an Article V amendment convention together and get moving. That's your only shot at it, and it isn't much of one.....

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MTOMTO

Jan-22-13 3:52 PM

I choose a drone!

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Uncle5

Jan-22-13 4:59 PM

Shoot out in TX today. "Police did not say whose gunfire struck the six others, including a constable and a bystander who died from their wounds." More guns, more justice? More guns, more casualties.

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Brazil

Jan-22-13 5:47 PM

MTOMTO & Keymaker- You might want to read the Heller Supreme Court decision and what Justice Anthony Scalia had to say about gun control as well as his comments since. I think he has a different opinion then you on the ability to legislate stricter controls. Take a read, I think you have big surprise coming. COLORADO - Your just plain wrong. Gun related deaths have undergone bouncing up and down but current rates are approximately the same as they were in the late 70's you can check several sources on this. I've addressed the Mexican law in the past. You need to research it a bit more. Most all guns in Mexico are smuggled in from the Wild Wild West otherwise known as the USA

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archaeo1

Jan-22-13 6:01 PM

Wayne, Its great to hear about your childhood experiences.Mine are similar. But how many kids today even have a legitimate role model,or two parents for that matter.I cant change people.Neither can you. Ya know we are pretty isolated here in Warren Co. And dare I say a bit Nieve.1 gun [Semi automatic] Should not be available for the majority of the population.. Now in your little town, with the acception of the few Who might fail screening. Do you believe everyone should be able to have An assult rifle in the house? Remember 1 bad apple can spoil it for everyone else ,and those apples can fill more than a bushel basket!

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archaeo1

Jan-22-13 6:09 PM

Keymaker, Everything is regulated !In the 70s did people shoot 2-12 shots into each victim?Just to be on your side we'll let military,police and you have assult rifles... It has NOTHING to do with the 2nd Amendment.I can still keep my rifles,pistols,cross bows and atlatles. Some things arent ment for everyone!

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 6:34 PM

"In 2008, the Court considered a challenge to the gun laws in the District of Columbia. Scalia wrote the majority opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, which found an individual right to own a firearm under the Second Amendment. Scalia traced the word "militia", found in the Second Amendment, as it would have been understood at the time of its ratification, and stated that it then meant "the body of all citizens". The Court upheld Heller's claim to own a firearm in the District. Source: Wikipedia

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 6:35 PM

Brazil, you've never made it easier to prove my point.....

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TheKeymaker

Jan-22-13 6:36 PM

Yep, and I can still keep my hunting rifles, shotguns, semi-automatic pistols and rifles Archeo...Gotta love the Constitution.....

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